Defected

[MQ MAD]

So i was at the shop today and came out to find queensland tansport all over my GQ. they were going to put me over the pits but due to me working overseas they are going to chase me up later. great.
Anyway they were not real happy with my 4" lift. they say that it can only be on third more or less than the standard distance between the bump stops or something.
Anyway after a long discussion the fact that i didn't have a rear bar on the car was the first thing, no rear mud flaps, aparently don't need fronts in qld. I have a complete lack of mod plates and generally would be screwed if put over the pits.
Got some lowered springs to put in, hopefully it doesn't completely screw up my suspension geometry but it prob will. Gotta find some sway bars from somewhere.

Arent you the one that tells people that illegal lifts are fine and noone ever gets caught ???
ALL the mod laws you can or cant do are on the QLD DOT website
4 " lift never ever or ever will be legal, no mud flaps at rear not legal ,and your running no rear bar, thats a safety issue,then throw in 35 " tyres that arent legal either
I dont feel sorry for anyone who flaunts with the rules,gee the rules are the most common thing talked about ....

Get no sympathy vote from me .....

[growler2058]

Arent you the one that tells people that illegal lifts are fine and noone ever gets caught ???
ALL the mod laws you can or cant do are on the QLD DOT website
4 " lift never ever or ever will be legal, no mud flaps at rear not legal ,and your running no rear bar, thats a safety issue,then throw in 35 " tyres that arent legal either
I dont feel sorry for anyone who flaunts with the rules,gee the rules are the most common thing talked about ....

Get no sympathy vote from me .....

Youre a hard hard man ;-)



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[MQ MAD]

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Not really, the problem is with all these cars running illegal mods that are involved in crashes the insurance companies dont need any excuse to walk from a claim
Id hate to ever have a family member injured or hospitalised due to some wombat in their illegally modded car who then gets their ring sued, and doesnt have the money to pay for medical bills or car repairs to the persom or persoms they injure
Mate was rear ended on his bike by some wombat who needed to hand his licence in cause well he couldnt see the bike in front
My mate is now a quadraplegic and the dude who hit him,went bankrupt as he couldnt pay for the damages he incured,as his insurance company walked due to an unsafe and unroadworthy car ...
Ol mate has a hospital bill bigger than the national debt , and not only is he a quadraplagic he has to pay the bill as well

[NissanGQ4.2]

Not really, the problem is with all these cars running illegal mods that are involved in crashes the insurance companies dont need any excuse to walk from a claim
Id hate to ever have a family member injured or hospitalised due to some wombat in their illegally modded car who then gets their ring sued, and doesnt have the money to pay for medical bills or car repairs to the persom or persoms they injure

True but this also happens when people aren't insured 2, plenty of them about.

Mate was rear ended on his bike by some wombat who needed to hand his licence in cause well he couldnt see the bike in front
My mate is now a quadraplegic and the dude who hit him,went bankrupt as he couldnt pay for the damages he incured,as his insurance company walked due to an unsafe and unroadworthy car ...
Ol mate has a hospital bill bigger than the national debt , and not only is he a quadraplagic he has to pay the bill as well

Sorry 2 hear about your mate, but was he rear ended because the guy was in a lifted 4b or because the he was partially blind. When I had my 6inch lift in I had no problems seeing a bike in front of me.

I agree, rules are rules, if you break them and get caught, pay the fine you know you were breaking the rules.

I do disagree with the current laws. But I won't even go it 2 that

[89gqpatrol4x4]

I agree with with mq mad on the issue of insurance and people just claiming bankruptcy to get out of not paying! That just plain sucks. On the other hand I think a lot of these "illegal" mods have not been thought through, with some of them actually making the car safer than factory! The departement of transport needs to wake up and have a real good look at was is and isn't safe, there is also a big difference between someone who has spent the dollers on a proffessinal lift for example and some backyard job. A bit of common sense and realistic legislation is in order.

[the evil twin]

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On the other hand I think a lot of these "illegal" mods have not been thought through, with some of them actually making the car safer than factory! The departement of transport needs to wake up and have a real good look at was is and isn't safe,

Apologies for the snip but... Wow, thats a big call.

At the risk of the thread hijacking, could you pop up a few examples of what you mean. I can't think of any "illegal" mod making a car safer than factory. Just because I can't think of some doesn't mean there aren't of course.

Certainly a 4 inch lift for example doesn't improve safety even if it is "engineered" as all that the engineering does is bring the vehicle up to an acceptable standard as the lift degraded the safety immensely. I would strongly suggest in 9 cases out of 10 even an engineered lift still below factory performance head to head in braking and stability.

Why?... people lift to put on bigger dia tyres, bigger dia tyres cut the braking efficiency significantly. Some may argue but it is simple physics as the turning moment or leverage acting against the brake effect is now much greater. Again, a factory truck would be a better performer

[bigrig77]

Apologies for the snip but... Wow, thats a big call.

At the risk of the thread hijacking, could you pop up a few examples of what you mean. I can't think of any "illegal" mod making a car safer than factory. Just because I can't think of some doesn't mean there aren't of course.

Certainly a 4 inch lift for example doesn't improve safety even if it is "engineered" as all that the engineering does is bring the vehicle up to an acceptable standard as the lift degraded the safety immensely. I would strongly suggest in 9 cases out of 10 even an engineered lift still below factory performance head to head in braking and stability.

Why?... people lift to put on bigger dia tyres, bigger dia tyres cut the braking efficiency significantly. Some may argue but it is simple physics as the turning moment or leverage acting against the brake effect is now much greater. Again, a factory truck would be a better performer

Can't agree with this,my car handles better now with lifted after market springs than it ever did with original set up ( and it is a 4inch lift car was only 36000 km old when I bought it) you can make your v8 commodore or falcon pump out a lot more power than standard but I don't see them being defected for not upgrading brakes or suspension or fitting of appropriate tyres plus the tyres I that came with the car were brand new maxxis bravos which were down rite dangerous in the wet were legal but my km2's which are much better in all conditions are also " illegal" guess my point is just because it's " illegal" doesn't mean it's unsafe , and just because someone can write out a ticket doesn't mean they know what the fu#k they are on about. My 2 bobs worth.

[Clunk]

Maxxis bravos aren't OEM spec tyres.......... in regards to the lift, I'll be sticking with the 2in I have, I really can't be bothered with the hassle of being pinged by the folks in blue.

[bigrig77]

Maxxis bravos aren't OEM spec tyres.......... in regards to the lift, I'll be sticking with the 2in I have, I really can't be bothered with the hassle of being pinged by the folks in blue.

They may not be OEM spec but they are legal, modified or unmodified if you drive outside your vehicles capabilities or your own the result will be the same.

[bigrig77]

Simple physics of larger tyre radius and higher centre of gravity = reduced braking reduced stability. ET is on the money. This is an age old argument that never dies and is hard to understand why. Copped heaps in the past and may cop it again but would love to see proof of how common lifts improve on-road safety (notice I didn't say off road ability).

Don't remember saying a lift improved safety ( car does feel better to drive cant say that it would handle an emergency better luckily havnt had too find out) but swerve to avoid an accident lift or no lift , in a 2.2 to 3 ton 4x4 with poor brake performance as standard it's not goin to make much of a difference , as I said earlier if you don't drive like a knob you can be as safe as anyone else.