Defected

[bigrig77]

Apologies, I must have misunderstood this statement.

My bad have edited my last post.

[Bigrig]

I've stayed out of this one for good reason ... however, as per another post I put up recently I swapped the suspension on another GQ (3" lift, new sway bars even, extended link pins, new offset radius arm bushes, new bushes all round), and after driving it, I'd put it up against any (and I mean ANY) variant old or new off the showroom floor. This thing is dead set the firmest suspension (still comfortable) patrol I reckon I've ever been in - improved braking due to no forward/rear "slump", improved handling and cornering, and far better response at the wheel (couldn't understand that one truth be told, but just feels 'toight like a tiger' ... lol).

Absolutely agree on anyone running the gauntlet with illegal setups (no matter how inane the legislation is perceived) - if you do it, you get pinged and pay the penalty - simple as that ... contest it and attempt to debate it and/or make excuses all you like, but its no different to running a red light ... sure, there was no other cars around at the time, but that doesn't mean you can pick and choose when you comply with the rules. It was red, and you're in breach if you run it ...

Now before anyone who doesn't know me jumps on their high horse and attempts to inform me what I've stated incorrectly, or what "I don't know", or that I'm "no expert", you're absolutely correct on all counts ... as all setups and most cars are different in some fashion and what I've just said may not apply in all (and many) circumstances ... and on top of that, my rig is without a doubt NOT as safe as it was the day it rolled off the showroom floor - not just because it's lifted (although engineer complied), not just because of bigger tyres, and not because it's got a heap of mods ... they all contribute no doubt ... but just as importantly, it's not as safe because it's 20 years old, the roads are more populated, the road rules and build design rules of cars have changed, and I'll never (without serious coin and compromise) be able to match current setups due to only having twin piston calipers, due to having live axles, due to having a centre of gravity designed without body roll issues in mind (or certainly not as good as today's trucks), and due the limitations of safety enhancements available for the rig whether I wanted them or not.

My long winded point - irrespective of what you do to your rig, take accountability for everything YOU do to it as YOU'RE the one making the decision. Make it as practical and functional as possible with absolute consideration for safety, performance, legal compliance, and your personal use in mind ... if you still fall foul of legislation, then that's YOUR fault - not mine, not a pedestrians, not the other drivers, and not the government ...

I'm by no means the best driver around, but just about every second I am behind the wheel, I consider the car I'm in and it's capabilities (bearin in mind I had a Grange, a 6.0ltr Clubsport, and a supercharged Spec RB before this patrol - so not just talking our behemoths here) and as such, drive appropriately - accidents do happen, that's why they're called accidents and not purposements (yes I made that word up!! lol) and we generally can't avoid them, but we can make them less of an impact on everyone involved by driving appropriately with consideration for all road users as well as wandering wildlife, and hopefully, just maybe, irrespective of the accident, you'll have been prepared and the outcome is one that you and everyone else walks away from saying "wow, that could've been far worse" ...

Fingers crossed, those "accidents" haven't found me for a long time (over 20 years since I've had one) and I do about 25000-30000 on the road every year ... that doesn't mean I'm good, I'm simply a little more prepared and pre cautious regarding the vehicle I drive, how I've set it up for my personal wants, and subsequently how that setup affects its (and my) ability.

I've been picked up for no mudflaps (now have them), non compliant steering wheel (not a sports wheel or anything like that, but still not compliant and I accept that), but have a lift, have mud tyres, have lockers and other assorted goodies that make the truck a weapon off road - and that is all mod plated/engineer certified and as such have NEVER had a problem.

If you run 35's - why? If you run a 6" lift - why? Unless you're competing I don't get it - a good driver in an average setup truck will go further EVERY TIME over a poor driver in a monster truck ... and unfortunately, most (yes, I'm using a wide brush but don't mean to categorise every person) people in monster trucks do it for two primary reasons - 1. It just looks good, and 2. I'm not good enough at the wheel and wish to compensate for it ...

More than happy to set up a challenge to prove the theory - I'll go in it, but more
Importantly, I'll get someone like
Hekarewe or Ben-e-boy or NissanNewby behind the wheel of a standard truck, and my money is on them getting further than you ... they are awesome wheel workers, and having watched them, I feel embarrassed at my lack of capability when I thought I was a star - and 2 of those 3 blokes are 15 years younger than me (and I'm not 40 yet).

Ahhhhh ... that was an effort ... lmao ... thumbs are worn to stumps as I typed this on tapatalk on my iPhone!!! Lots of swearing at the spellchecker and my missus thinks I'm a mental case who yells at inanimate objects like phones!!!! LMFAO!!

EDIT: just spoke with the missus who's the national sales manager of a major suspension outlet, and the fact of the matte is two fold:

1. If cars were built for safety and not simply by the cheapest bidder using the cheapest components whilst still meeting ADR compliance, we'd be paying twice as much for them.

2. In reference to point 1, this is fact - there are 4 known variants currently available that are sold in Australia where the manufacturers suspension specs are nowhere near the safety and performance level of aftermarket kits available - these are the D40, Hilux, BT50 (Ford Ranger is the same and doesn't count as a different variant for my argument) and the Colorado. There are more, but after testing, all 4 have been proven to have increased braking and cornering and load capacity performance with the removal of the OME setup and replacement with another kit (name withheld, but PM me if you want it). This again, is absolute fact, so yes, SOME vehicles are enhanced and are absolutely safer with aftermarket parts applied ... not all, but I'm sort of sitting on both sides of this discussion - proving points for both sides of the debate ...

[Bigrig]

Simple physics of larger tyre radius and higher centre of gravity = reduced braking reduced stability. ET is on the money. This is an age old argument that never dies and is hard to understand why. Copped heaps in the past and may cop it again but would love to see proof of how common lifts improve on-road safety (notice I didn't say off road ability).

What would you know ....

LMFAO!!!!!

Love ya Plassy!!!! Couldn't let it go though!!! lol

[bigrig77]

I've stayed out of this one for good reason ... however, as per another post I put up recently I swapped the suspension on another GQ (3" lift, new sway bars even, extended link pins, new offset radius arm bushes, new bushes all round), and after driving it, I'd put it up against any (and I mean ANY) variant old or new off the showroom floor. This thing is dead set the firmest suspension (still comfortable) patrol I reckon I've ever been in - improved braking due to no forward/rear "slump", improved handling and cornering, and far better response at the wheel (couldn't understand that one truth be told, but just feels 'toight like a tiger' ... lol).

Absolutely agree on anyone running the gauntlet with illegal setups (no matter how inane the legislation is perceived) - if you do it, you get pinged and pay the penalty - simple as that ... contest it and attempt to debate it and/or make excuses all you like, but its no different to running a red light ... sure, there was no other cars around at the time, but that doesn't mean you can pick and choose when you comply with the rules. It was red, and you're in breach if you run it ...

Now before anyone who doesn't know me jumps on their high horse and attempts to inform me what I've stated incorrectly, or what "I don't know", or that I'm "no expert", you're absolutely correct on all counts ... as all setups and most cars are different in some fashion and what I've just said may not apply in all (and many) circumstances ... and on top of that, my rig is without a doubt NOT as safe as it was the day it rolled off the showroom floor - not just because it's lifted (although engineer complied), not just because of bigger tyres, and not because it's got a heap of mods ... they all contribute no doubt ... but just as importantly, it's not as safe because it's 20 years old, the roads are more populated, the road rules and build design rules of cars have changed, and I'll never (without serious coin and compromise) be able to match current setups due to only having twin piston calipers, due to having live axles, due to having a centre of gravity designed without body roll issues in mind (or certainly not as good as today's trucks), and due the limitations of safety enhancements available for the rig whether I wanted them or not.

My long winded point - irrespective of what you do to your rig, take accountability for everything YOU do to it as YOU'RE the one making the decision. Make it as practical and functional as possible with absolute consideration for safety, performance, legal compliance, and your personal use in mind ... if you still fall foul of legislation, then that's YOUR fault - not mine, not a pedestrians, not the other drivers, and not the government ...

I'm by no means the best driver around, but just about every second I am behind the wheel, I consider the car I'm in and it's capabilities (bearin in mind I had a Grange, a 6.0ltr Clubsport, and a supercharged Spec RB before this patrol - so not just talking our behemoths here) and as such, drive appropriately - accidents do happen, that's why they're called accidents and not purposements (yes I made that word up!! lol) and we generally can't avoid them, but we can make them less of an impact on everyone involved by driving appropriately with consideration for all road users as well as wandering wildlife, and hopefully, just maybe, irrespective of the accident, you'll have been prepared and the outcome is one that you and everyone else walks away from saying "wow, that could've been far worse" ...

Fingers crossed, those "accidents" haven't found me for a long time (over 20 years since I've had one) and I do about 25000-30000 on the road every year ... that doesn't mean I'm good, I'm simply a little more prepared and pre cautious regarding the vehicle I drive, how I've set it up for my personal wants, and subsequently how that setup affects its (and my) ability.

I've been picked up for no mudflaps (now have them), non compliant steering wheel (not a sports wheel or anything like that, but still not compliant and I accept that), but have a lift, have mud tyres, have lockers and other assorted goodies that make the truck a weapon off road - and that is all mod plated/engineer certified and as such have NEVER had a problem.

If you run 35's - why? If you run a 6" lift - why? Unless you're competing I don't get it - a good driver in an average setup truck will go further EVERY TIME over a poor driver in a monster truck ... and unfortunately, most (yes, I'm using a wide brush but don't mean to categorise every person) people in monster trucks do it for two primary reasons - 1. It just looks good, and 2. I'm not good enough at the wheel and wish to compensate for it ...

More than happy to set up a challenge to prove the theory - I'll go in it, but more
Importantly, I'll get someone like
Hekarewe or Ben-e-boy or NissanNewby behind the wheel of a standard truck, and my money is on them getting further than you ... they are awesome wheel workers, and having watched them, I feel embarrassed at my lack of capability when I thought I was a star - and 2 of those 3 blokes are 15 years younger than me (and I'm not 40 yet).

Ahhhhh ... that was an effort ... lmao ... thumbs are worn to stumps as I typed this on tapatalk on my iPhone!!! Lots of swearing at the spellchecker and my missus thinks I'm a mental case who yells at inanimate objects like phones!!!! LMFAO!!

EDIT: just spoke with the missus who's the national sales manager of a major suspension outlet, and the fact of the matte is two fold:

1. If cars were built for safety and not simply by the cheapest bidder using the cheapest components whilst still meeting ADR compliance, we'd be paying twice as much for them.

2. In reference to point 1, this is fact - there are 4 known variants currently available that are sold in Australia where the manufacturers suspension specs are nowhere near the safety and performance level of aftermarket kits available - these are the D40, Hilux, BT50 (Ford Ranger is the same and doesn't count as a different variant for my argument) and the Colorado. There are more, but after testing, all 4 have been proven to have increased braking and cornering and load capacity performance with the removal of the OME setup and replacement with another kit (name withheld, but PM me if you want it). This again, is absolute fact, so yes, SOME vehicles are enhanced and are absolutely safer with aftermarket parts applied ... not all, but I'm sort of sitting on both sides of this discussion - proving points for both sides of the debate ...

Wow!!! Ha ha nice effort Bigrig.

[Bigrig]

Wow!!! Ha ha nice effort Bigrig.

Still exhausted brother!!!! lmfao!!!

[threedogs]

pretty sure 4" should be legal, there was a push to have a max of 2", but fell through swerve testing and all that. your truck sticks out because you have no mud flaps, what happens to the poor bloke following you after a day in the mud. 2' lift will get you most places. Down here in Mexico I know of one truck with 6" spring and 4" body lift, its a 100s tojo. looks stupid and can't really see the benefit. pretty strict up in Jo land I hear. Not hard to keep a truck "looking" legal

Who wants their truck to look like a skateboard!

[threedogs]

Bigrigs point is correct IMO, Lets take Comp trucks as an example, in Mexico they only have 3" lift max and oh so soft up in Jo land they seem to think higher is better. you can build a very capable 20 yo truck with only 2-3" lift, but put mud flaps on the back how hard can that be. Check the Comp trucks on 4WD TV you wont see a single truck with a 6" lift, mainly because suspension, diff locks have come along way. who would think a live axle out of the showroom from today could go further than older tricked up truck. No mud flaps you might as well just drive to the local Cop shop and donate $300 every week

[growler2058]

I've stayed out of this one for good reason ... however, as per another post I put up recently I swapped the suspension on another GQ (3" lift, new sway bars even, extended link pins, new offset radius arm bushes, new bushes all round), and after driving it, I'd put it up against any (and I mean ANY) variant old or new off the showroom floor. This thing is dead set the firmest suspension (still comfortable) patrol I reckon I've ever been in - improved braking due to no forward/rear "slump", improved handling and cornering, and far better response at the wheel (couldn't understand that one truth be told, but just feels 'toight like a tiger' ... lol).

Absolutely agree on anyone running the gauntlet with illegal setups (no matter how inane the legislation is perceived) - if you do it, you get pinged and pay the penalty - simple as that ... contest it and attempt to debate it and/or make excuses all you like, but its no different to running a red light ... sure, there was no other cars around at the time, but that doesn't mean you can pick and choose when you comply with the rules. It was red, and you're in breach if you run it ...

Now before anyone who doesn't know me jumps on their high horse and attempts to inform me what I've stated incorrectly, or what "I don't know", or that I'm "no expert", you're absolutely correct on all counts ... as all setups and most cars are different in some fashion and what I've just said may not apply in all (and many) circumstances ... and on top of that, my rig is without a doubt NOT as safe as it was the day it rolled off the showroom floor - not just because it's lifted (although engineer complied), not just because of bigger tyres, and not because it's got a heap of mods ... they all contribute no doubt ... but just as importantly, it's not as safe because it's 20 years old, the roads are more populated, the road rules and build design rules of cars have changed, and I'll never (without serious coin and compromise) be able to match current setups due to only having twin piston calipers, due to having live axles, due to having a centre of gravity designed without body roll issues in mind (or certainly not as good as today's trucks), and due the limitations of safety enhancements available for the rig whether I wanted them or not.

My long winded point - irrespective of what you do to your rig, take accountability for everything YOU do to it as YOU'RE the one making the decision. Make it as practical and functional as possible with absolute consideration for safety, performance, legal compliance, and your personal use in mind ... if you still fall foul of legislation, then that's YOUR fault - not mine, not a pedestrians, not the other drivers, and not the government ...

I'm by no means the best driver around, but just about every second I am behind the wheel, I consider the car I'm in and it's capabilities (bearin in mind I had a Grange, a 6.0ltr Clubsport, and a supercharged Spec RB before this patrol - so not just talking our behemoths here) and as such, drive appropriately - accidents do happen, that's why they're called accidents and not purposements (yes I made that word up!! lol) and we generally can't avoid them, but we can make them less of an impact on everyone involved by driving appropriately with consideration for all road users as well as wandering wildlife, and hopefully, just maybe, irrespective of the accident, you'll have been prepared and the outcome is one that you and everyone else walks away from saying "wow, that could've been far worse" ...

Fingers crossed, those "accidents" haven't found me for a long time (over 20 years since I've had one) and I do about 25000-30000 on the road every year ... that doesn't mean I'm good, I'm simply a little more prepared and pre cautious regarding the vehicle I drive, how I've set it up for my personal wants, and subsequently how that setup affects its (and my) ability.

I've been picked up for no mudflaps (now have them), non compliant steering wheel (not a sports wheel or anything like that, but still not compliant and I accept that), but have a lift, have mud tyres, have lockers and other assorted goodies that make the truck a weapon off road - and that is all mod plated/engineer certified and as such have NEVER had a problem.

If you run 35's - why? If you run a 6" lift - why? Unless you're competing I don't get it - a good driver in an average setup truck will go further EVERY TIME over a poor driver in a monster truck ... and unfortunately, most (yes, I'm using a wide brush but don't mean to categorise every person) people in monster trucks do it for two primary reasons - 1. It just looks good, and 2. I'm not good enough at the wheel and wish to compensate for it ...

More than happy to set up a challenge to prove the theory - I'll go in it, but more
Importantly, I'll get someone like
Hekarewe or Ben-e-boy or NissanNewby behind the wheel of a standard truck, and my money is on them getting further than you ... they are awesome wheel workers, and having watched them, I feel embarrassed at my lack of capability when I thought I was a star - and 2 of those 3 blokes are 15 years younger than me (and I'm not 40 yet).

Ahhhhh ... that was an effort ... lmao ... thumbs are worn to stumps as I typed this on tapatalk on my iPhone!!! Lots of swearing at the spellchecker and my missus thinks I'm a mental case who yells at inanimate objects like phones!!!! LMFAO!!

EDIT: just spoke with the missus who's the national sales manager of a major suspension outlet, and the fact of the matte is two fold:

1. If cars were built for safety and not simply by the cheapest bidder using the cheapest components whilst still meeting ADR compliance, we'd be paying twice as much for them.

2. In reference to point 1, this is fact - there are 4 known variants currently available that are sold in Australia where the manufacturers suspension specs are nowhere near the safety and performance level of aftermarket kits available - these are the D40, Hilux, BT50 (Ford Ranger is the same and doesn't count as a different variant for my argument) and the Colorado. There are more, but after testing, all 4 have been proven to have increased braking and cornering and load capacity performance with the removal of the OME setup and replacement with another kit (name withheld, but PM me if you want it). This again, is absolute fact, so yes, SOME vehicles are enhanced and are absolutely safer with aftermarket parts applied ... not all, but I'm sort of sitting on both sides of this discussion - proving points for both sides of the debate ...

What? Hahahaha


Tap, Tap, Tap, Tap, what's that freakin noise?!

[MQ MAD]

I've stayed out of this one for good reason ... however, as per another post I put up recently I swapped the suspension on another GQ (3" lift, new sway bars even, extended link pins, new offset radius arm bushes, new bushes all round), and after driving it, I'd put it up against any (and I mean ANY) variant old or new off the showroom floor. This thing is dead set the firmest suspension (still comfortable) patrol I reckon I've ever been in - improved braking due to no forward/rear "slump", improved handling and cornering, and far better response at the wheel (couldn't understand that one truth be told, but just feels 'toight like a tiger' ... lol).

Absolutely agree on anyone running the gauntlet with illegal setups (no matter how inane the legislation is perceived) - if you do it, you get pinged and pay the penalty - simple as that ... contest it and attempt to debate it and/or make excuses all you like, but its no different to running a red light ... sure, there was no other cars around at the time, but that doesn't mean you can pick and choose when you comply with the rules. It was red, and you're in breach if you run it ...

Now before anyone who doesn't know me jumps on their high horse and attempts to inform me what I've stated incorrectly, or what "I don't know", or that I'm "no expert", you're absolutely correct on all counts ... as all setups and most cars are different in some fashion and what I've just said may not apply in all (and many) circumstances ... and on top of that, my rig is without a doubt NOT as safe as it was the day it rolled off the showroom floor - not just because it's lifted (although engineer complied), not just because of bigger tyres, and not because it's got a heap of mods ... they all contribute no doubt ... but just as importantly, it's not as safe because it's 20 years old, the roads are more populated, the road rules and build design rules of cars have changed, and I'll never (without serious coin and compromise) be able to match current setups due to only having twin piston calipers, due to having live axles, due to having a centre of gravity designed without body roll issues in mind (or certainly not as good as today's trucks), and due the limitations of safety enhancements available for the rig whether I wanted them or not.

My long winded point - irrespective of what you do to your rig, take accountability for everything YOU do to it as YOU'RE the one making the decision. Make it as practical and functional as possible with absolute consideration for safety, performance, legal compliance, and your personal use in mind ... if you still fall foul of legislation, then that's YOUR fault - not mine, not a pedestrians, not the other drivers, and not the government ...

I'm by no means the best driver around, but just about every second I am behind the wheel, I consider the car I'm in and it's capabilities (bearin in mind I had a Grange, a 6.0ltr Clubsport, and a supercharged Spec RB before this patrol - so not just talking our behemoths here) and as such, drive appropriately - accidents do happen, that's why they're called accidents and not purposements (yes I made that word up!! lol) and we generally can't avoid them, but we can make them less of an impact on everyone involved by driving appropriately with consideration for all road users as well as wandering wildlife, and hopefully, just maybe, irrespective of the accident, you'll have been prepared and the outcome is one that you and everyone else walks away from saying "wow, that could've been far worse" ...

Fingers crossed, those "accidents" haven't found me for a long time (over 20 years since I've had one) and I do about 25000-30000 on the road every year ... that doesn't mean I'm good, I'm simply a little more prepared and pre cautious regarding the vehicle I drive, how I've set it up for my personal wants, and subsequently how that setup affects its (and my) ability.

I've been picked up for no mudflaps (now have them), non compliant steering wheel (not a sports wheel or anything like that, but still not compliant and I accept that), but have a lift, have mud tyres, have lockers and other assorted goodies that make the truck a weapon off road - and that is all mod plated/engineer certified and as such have NEVER had a problem.

If you run 35's - why? If you run a 6" lift - why? Unless you're competing I don't get it - a good driver in an average setup truck will go further EVERY TIME over a poor driver in a monster truck ... and unfortunately, most (yes, I'm using a wide brush but don't mean to categorise every person) people in monster trucks do it for two primary reasons - 1. It just looks good, and 2. I'm not good enough at the wheel and wish to compensate for it ...

More than happy to set up a challenge to prove the theory - I'll go in it, but more
Importantly, I'll get someone like
Hekarewe or Ben-e-boy or NissanNewby behind the wheel of a standard truck, and my money is on them getting further than you ... they are awesome wheel workers, and having watched them, I feel embarrassed at my lack of capability when I thought I was a star - and 2 of those 3 blokes are 15 years younger than me (and I'm not 40 yet).

Ahhhhh ... that was an effort ... lmao ... thumbs are worn to stumps as I typed this on tapatalk on my iPhone!!! Lots of swearing at the spellchecker and my missus thinks I'm a mental case who yells at inanimate objects like phones!!!! LMFAO!!

EDIT: just spoke with the missus who's the national sales manager of a major suspension outlet, and the fact of the matte is two fold:

1. If cars were built for safety and not simply by the cheapest bidder using the cheapest components whilst still meeting ADR compliance, we'd be paying twice as much for them.

2. In reference to point 1, this is fact - there are 4 known variants currently available that are sold in Australia where the manufacturers suspension specs are nowhere near the safety and performance level of aftermarket kits available - these are the D40, Hilux, BT50 (Ford Ranger is the same and doesn't count as a different variant for my argument) and the Colorado. There are more, but after testing, all 4 have been proven to have increased braking and cornering and load capacity performance with the removal of the OME setup and replacement with another kit (name withheld, but PM me if you want it). This again, is absolute fact, so yes, SOME vehicles are enhanced and are absolutely safer with aftermarket parts applied ... not all, but I'm sort of sitting on both sides of this discussion - proving points for both sides of the debate ...

Holy empty bpurboun cans,my god bet a few were drunk written that .....

Well said and about somes it up in , as few (paragraphs,pages,books) words .....

[MQ MAD]

Can't agree with this,my car handles better now with lifted after market springs than it ever did with original set up ( and it is a 4inch lift car was only 36000 km old when I bought it) you can make your v8 commodore or falcon pump out a lot more power than standard but I don't see them being defected for not upgrading brakes or suspension or fitting of appropriate tyres plus the tyres I that came with the car were brand new maxxis bravos which were down rite dangerous in the wet were legal but my km2's which are much better in all conditions are also " illegal" guess my point is just because it's " illegal" doesn't mean it's unsafe , and just because someone can write out a ticket doesn't mean they know what the fu#k they are on about. My 2 bobs worth.

Most muppets who trick their late model cars ,usually run better tyres, better brakes, but the top shelf commo or falcoon come with all the goodies anyway
It doesnt take too much to get a new turbo falcon pulling an 11 second 1/4 , but the things still stop pritty quick none the less...

The wombats who issue these defect notices, wether thats the cops, dot,mobile transport or on the spot road worthy dont need to know (be good if they know more than whats in a badge),if in doubt they nail ya,its up to you as the owner to prove other wise, sad but true
Blokes are getting napped for exhaust too loud, yet theres no meter to record the noise at the time,the old if in doubt ,defect it
Sad part is,its the easy targets,or the target for the month,one month every 4by will be pulled over for inspections,or trucks,or whatever
My old truck was pulled over because one month was operation "Lets annoy truck drivers month"
Its all the POS on the road , wether thats 4bies, commo, doof doof cars ,just general unsafe rubbish that are making it harder for the average petrol head driving a car thats safe
While the pollies cant run a chook raffle, the motorist will get napped , someones gotta pay for their retirement .....