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Crikey Ferret , you must be a mind reader was just now scrounging around in the scrap bin for a piece off-cut of bronze-- reckon it would be bees knees. Since retiring I have really enjoyed getting back at machining really shows how much you don't remember ( left m/c shop 1973 -- mec eng & mining eng then till2005 ) looks /sounds as though you are at it professionally & do some design/fab as well. What type work do you do -- is it similar to Tony . All on hold till I get sample part from Tony. -- have you considered constructing exchange service in WA.? -- May not be feasable for some of reasons as you alluded to in previous post. The Black that I have turns beaut but still runs a stringy swarf so it must still be a grade or two softer than optimum -- will call by old shop & see what offers there. Cancelled my professional indemnity in surance 30 june so no more charge out jobs for me .-- still do some design at arms length ( pays for toys etc. LOL. )-- GREAT SITE THIS --soooo helpful & participants are so generous of spirit . Regards Jim.