Is a front locker going to benefit in desert & beach driving i have the factory LSD in the rear,
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Is a front locker going to benefit in desert & beach driving i have the factory LSD in the rear,
Cheers Tonks.
The short answer is no...... however, it depends where you go and what you do, generally front lockers will reduce your turning ability in most situations (including sand), a limited improvement may be noticeable in very soft sand when travelling "straight" ahead.
The exception to this is if you fit a auto lokka, if you have this type of lokka in the front, with a small change in your driving style, ive found it can actually be a benifit in most sand driving situations ive come across.
i have an auto locker and yes it is a bit harder to steer but i havent had any dramas as yet not that i do a lot of sand driving.
Correct in my opinion! Love my LoKKa has been a big difference in the sand dunes at loveday 4wd adventures, slight change in driving style and away ya goQuote:
Originally Posted by 04OFF
I have front and rear and for me no real difference in sand driving but that's just my experience.
I can`t see any benefit for a locker in beach sand, front or rear. In saying that, I`d still go for a rear locker, no matter how good people say the Patrols LSDs are.
yeh that old chestnut, good lsd in rear and front locker is a better option than just a locker in the back imho.
X2, otherwise all the Ti owners with just a factory rear locker, would be getting "further" than those of us with front locker/rear LSD ? , i dont think so !Quote:
Originally Posted by Stropp
X3........Quote:
Originally Posted by 04OFF
Horses for courses. All depends on how you look at it. I`d rather push a weight with a rear locker and no front locker, than bust a CV with a front locker and while having a LSD whilst pulling a weight. If I had both diffs with lockers, Id only have the front one on if I know I really need it, driving straight and or minimal steering to limit the possibility of the CVs busting. But you lot knew that right? Having a busted CV and rear LSD isn`t going to get you far now is it? Just my thoughts and looking at it in a way that one option could cost you more money in repairs, than in another way of doing the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stropp
04OFF - The reason why the Ti has a rear locker is because it`s the next model up and why would you pay for an LSD, when a locker is a better option?
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Originally Posted by 04OFF
ONLY When locked.
.An unlocked air locker will have ZERO impact on the turning circle.
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Originally Posted by Bush Ranger
We are only talking about "one" locker (front OR rear), we are not talking about twin locker option, i think everyone will agree 2 lockers are the best set up.
I agree with what you say about a front and rear locker with regard to Cvs mate, and nobody here is suggesting for a moment a LSD is better than a locker off road.
The reference to a Ti is just a very common example of a car that has a rear Locker, and how many people would have seen other cars with a rear LSD "and" a front locker, go further than a car that has a rear locker "only".
The bottom line to what im saying is, if you can only have "one" locker, having a LSD on the other end/axel of the vehicle, is going to be better than a open centre, and as Patrols did not have a LSD "front" option, the best option is a LSD rear, locker front , NOT a locked rear, open centre front.
OK, fair enough, i didn't actually say "when locked" !Quote:
Originally Posted by davo94
But really mate, i think you are the "only" person that would have read that ,and NOT realised i was talking about when the locker "is" engaged !
Well this is not speaking from personal experience but is my opinion, one of my best mates who has been a Patrol nut for two decades has convinced me to go rear locker first for the very reasons Bushranger cites.
He swears that his rig with rear locker only activated will go more places than those with LSD rear and locked front (in fact he said he would go further with the rear locked and in 2wd). I trust him on this as he knows his chit. The other upside is in activating a rear locker when descending super steep hills acts as a boat anchor out back to help slow progress down just that bit extra.
I can honestly say I've shifted my opinion of front vs rear locker (only) over the last few months and will be putting one in the rear of mine before the front.
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Sorry. I dont believe for a second that he will go further in locked 2wd than a front locked 4wd.
A bit of left foot brake works wonders with the LSD still not a good as a positive locker but it does help.
I only have a front locker and have only done 1 CV and that was because I was in a position where I had to revearse out of a large ditch full lock, when a CV is at its weakest, with the enitre weight of the ute on the front wheels and snapped it and the axle like a twig lol
Just answering the original post and insureing that the original poster gets clean and clear info before spending hard earned cash.. we all know the feeling of parting with $$$ for something we arent happy with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04OFF
Yep I'm with Benny, no way could a rear locked 2wd go further than an unlocked 4wd. And i am sure a front locked, rear LSD would go further than rear Locker only
A rear locker under full braking will make the truck slide more so that if you were using a front locker and lsd rear. The weight on a decent is all over the front wheels hence the 75 front brake 25 rear brake proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
Good on you Benny!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
Just sayin'Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
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So we need to devise an experiment!
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Ill happily donate my car to have a front locker fitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
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Originally Posted by drewboyaus
"Is a front locker going to benefit in desert & beach driving i have the factory LSD in the rear"Quote:
Originally Posted by davo94
Yeh, but I think its pretty clear the OP was talking about a benifit when the locker is "engaged", as surley the OP would not expect any benifit when the locker is NOT engaged......?
But......Perhaps you are right davo, and im assuming too much, hopefully the OP can ask more if they don't quite understand how a locker works ?
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Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
Yes , agree, im happy to be proved wrong, ill even bring the video camera.......
.....calling all Ti owners !:biggrin:
Perhaps it's an experiment that could be conducted at our next Vic meet up in October.....
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I'm in. I'll be the front locked 4wd on a track of my choice................Follow me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 04OFF
Id be impressed to see another "front locked" 4wd take on that challenge, let alone something with a open centre :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
I guess the condition of the lsd plays a part..
I would go lokka front lsd rear as my lsd if tight.. Wheels chirp around corners when doing town driving...
If you have a loose lsd I can see why one would think a lokka is so much better than lsd..
Sure Its better in hardcore stuff, but for sand I doubt you'd notice it over a good lsd..
Daz has a vehicle of similar (or greater) capability with a rear locker too.......I think he might be the only one of us with a rear locker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
Just need to pick an appropriate hill.....
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Id have a front china locker over a rear auto locker any day of the week. My factory lsd and for what its worth every single gq iv ever driven has had a great lsd. Im yet to find one with a shot lsd.. the factory vacume lockers in the ti are weak as carrats.. imho sand or rocks front locker will take you ferther than a open centre front diff and any sort of rear locker.
That's the confidence I like - "Follow me". Ha HaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
Since the OP was about desert and beach (I assume sand) driving - I mostly only do sand driving here, playing in the dunes. I put a Lokka in the front of my Trooper (Jackaroo) and it made a noticeable difference. We were out last weekend and my mate who now has the Trooper, I reckon was doing it easier than I was in the GU (4.8). We were looping doing a long hill climb (400 metres gradual slope to tight peak) that was undulating and needed to come at it with speed. It had a soft spot about 50 metres from the top and luckily hardened up near the end (or we wouldn't have made it). Lots of people underrate the Trooper and keep getting surprised when it keeps up. I think the Lokka makes a useful difference to this equation (the lower weight of the Trooper is definitely another real advantage in this situation). Watching it come up the hill the other day when it hits the soft stuff you can see it throwing sand on both sides. Before I put the Lokka in I wasn't expecting much difference in the sand, but thought I'd give it a go anyway. Was a good decision.
Because of the good experience with the Lokka on the Trooper I've bought a Spartan for the front of the GU now which I'll get in soon and then he'll have no hope. :D
So, original question was: "Is a front locker going to benefit in desert & beach driving i have the factory LSD in the rear," - I reckon Yes!
I have no experience to comment on the front vs rear discussion.
^^^^ from the sand expert!
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Rear factory locker here! Where we going Bene?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
Benny's going to take you for a short drive to a hill called "Big Red"
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Yes definitely was talking about when engaged, thanks for all the feedback anyway,
Gee I've opened up a can of worms in this thread,
Cheers Guys
"Is a front locker going to benefit in desert & beach driving i have the factory LSD in the rear"
Yeh, but I think its pretty clear the OP was talking about a benifit when the locker is "engaged", as surley the OP would not expect any benifit when the locker is NOT engaged......?
But......Perhaps you are right davo, and im assuming too much, hopefully the OP can ask more if they don't quite understand how a locker works ?
Yes , agree, im happy to be proved wrong, ill even bring the video camera.......
.....calling all Ti owners !:biggrin:[/QUOTE]
We love a can of worms!
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Originally Posted by Alitis007
haha it definatly wont be big red. I want a challenge. I was thinking around area 51 at ormeauQuote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Done! See you in 15, so start making your way there and i'll be there shortly .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
I hope someone has a bloody camera...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alitis007
Done! See you in 15, so start making your way there and i'll be there shortly .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy