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Thread: 2009 CRD Black Smoke after 60k service

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    Do Nissan have a spare maf you could try?? Or a mate you could borrow for a test drive?
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    I had been planning to do that but because I still have Nissan warranty on the car, I had been reluctant to do that in case Nissan void the engine warranty on me. I might try to get Nissan to troubleshoot the smoking issue in case they come across anything that gets covered. Fat chance, I know but probably my best bet?
    Alternately, we have a diesel place in town that also has a dyno that they use for troubleshooting various issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggqwesty View Post
    Do Nissan have a spare maf you could try?? Or a mate you could borrow for a test drive?
    Good idea - don't know anyone here with another CRD - know a couple of guys who have Patrols but only the Di version
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    As it's still under warranty I'd recommend to go back to Nissan. If they find the MAF has been damaged then you can go back to the people who did it with some more ammunition, if it's something else it should be covered by warranty. Either way it will probably cost you some coin as Nissan don't do much for free. Good luck.
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    Just a couple of thoughts. Have you checked the obvious, the oil level. i have had trouble with my Patrol and also with a Merc Vito work van, that smoked after service and turned out that the service mob had overfilled them. There is also the issue of what oil was used in the motor. Some are better than others and if you go to a cheaper serviceman you sometimes get cheaper products being used, as is evidenced by the after market filter fitted.
    Finally, fuel pump timing adjustment can cause black smoke and change fuel economy, but why the hell anyone would change pump timing on a service I don't know.
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    Yeah I'd check the oil level... Depending on what they used to clean the maf, it does sound like a MAF issue to me. What type of oil did they put in too? If you have a Supercheap auto in town they have the diagnostic readers there. I think they charge $15 or something like that to plug it in and give you any fault codes, if there is any...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudski View Post
    Yeah I'd check the oil level... Depending on what they used to clean the maf, it does sound like a MAF issue to me. What type of oil did they put in too? If you have a Supercheap auto in town they have the diagnostic readers there. I think they charge $15 or something like that to plug it in and give you any fault codes, if there is any...
    I hadn't thought of that. I might go and see SuperCheap and see if they can read the ECU for me
    I did check the oil level and it seemed about right. Which oil they used, I couldn't tell you.
    The thing that sh*ts me the most about this was that these guys ended up no cheaper than Nissan. In fact, they charged more than Nissan would have because of the capped service Nissan offers. Apparently, I was mis-quoted when I rang and asked how much they would hit me for 70k service
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    Buy a scan gauge or equivalent.
    I cannot stress how valuable they are for the CRD's.
    They pay for themselves in fuel savings alone because you can see when you are using the most fuel and even a minor adjustment in driving techniques can save you a significant amount.

    Good idea to go back to the Nissan Air Filters, the CRD's are touchy about air flow.
    It didn't help you this time but I always used genuine after several forumites encountered issues with afternarket jobbies

    Black smoke is burnt fuel (usually overfuelling/MAF/Boost) white is unburnt fuel (usually low compression) and blue is oil so your noticing that the fuel economy has dropped and black smoke is part of the same issue I reckon.
    If the dudes who cleaned the MAF damaged it that should show up during voltage tests but the symptoms point to eliminating the MAF as a problem first.
    It is also possible they have damaged/squashed/split an air line for the VNT control so triple check all those dinky little hoses on the pax side of the engine.

    The big advantage of a Scangauge will be you can see the boost pressure so you can suss out whether boost is low or not.
    They don't show EGT but unless you are chipping an engine or doing serious mods you don't need to know EGT anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the evil twin View Post
    Buy a scan gauge or equivalent.
    I cannot stress how valuable they are for the CRD's.
    They pay for themselves in fuel savings alone because you can see when you are using the most fuel and even a minor adjustment in driving techniques can save you a significant amount.
    I had been eying them out for a while and guess, the black smoke issue is just another reason for a Christmas gift for myself
    Just ordered one online - hopefully Santa will make it in time
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    Quote Originally Posted by apalsson View Post
    I had been eying them out for a while and guess, the black smoke issue is just another reason for a Christmas gift for myself
    Just ordered one online - hopefully Santa will make it in time
    You will love it.

    What suprised me is how much the CRD's like a bit of welly.
    I improved my fuel economy by 10% around town by accellerating harder and getting the sucker up to speed then backing off.
    I usually had my display on "Boost", "Instant Fuel" and "Coolant Temp" with the 4th display dependant on what I was doing IE Towing, Cruising, Gnarly stuff etc
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