right of access on "private" property

[macca86]

If I had private property surrounded by state forest I wouldn't want oeople using my track to get through. Why because oeople will rip my track up in the wet and it'll cost me a dozer to get my track useable. People will dump rubbish or burn out cars (you might nit but other people will) if I run livestock people will poach my animals or leave gates open. If it's my hunting property you may get struck by a stray bullet if you cross my path while hunting. Is it really worth pissing oeople off over the use of this road? Surly there are other roads to get into the forest.

As an example our farm in stanthorpe is at the end of a windy single track dirt road. We use to have a cattle grid and keep out private property signs. Do you think people turned around? No it's people like you who think they have a right to use these roads. After things started going missing bad we were over telling people to leave we build big gates.
You may think what you like but most people are carnts these days and farmers and people who want privacy are over it costing them money so you can go down a track.
How would you like me walking or driving through your yard checking out what you got then say oh sorry I saw the sign but I thought it would be ok as I want to just get over there or I felt like it.

[deanfurley]

Simply unless you do the courtesy of asking so someone can eyeball you you'd better turn around and find another way.

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And how would one go about that??? So you cruise up a track, map says the track passes through the property you have state forest on the other side, how do you ask? You had no idea the property was there until you saw a gate, or saw the sign. Which may or may not be legal.

Bob, mate I was asking not to be a dick but to see the other side of it. I more thinking of a disused price of property not a farm, ie. No animals to be seen no equipment. I understand why you would not want people anywhere near you livestock / farm. And again I'm talking access through the property not camping.

[Drewboyaus]

And how would one go about that??? So you cruise up a track, map says the track passes through the property you have state forest on the other side, how do you ask? You had no idea the property was there until you saw a gate, or saw the sign. Which may or may not be legal. Bob, mate I was asking not to be a dick but to see the other side of it. I more thinking of a disused price of property not a farm, ie. No animals to be seen no equipment. I understand why you would not want people anywhere near you livestock / farm. And again I'm talking access through the property not camping.

For a start, what sort if map are you using that doesn't have private property marked? All mine do.
Secondly, perhaps you ought to find the driveway, head up to the house and ask. Or you could turn around and find another way.

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[P4trol]

Well there's so many (maps) out there. I have ozi Explorer (to display maps). The free maps are usually the old ones. Sometimes they are the best, showing old tracks. Some of the best tracks I did on the Cape were due to an old map. Of course I did my best and cross reference it with the internets, as some of the private property/ indigenous land had changed and vice versa.

I'm a big believer in respecting private property. Also a big fan of property being labelled. If I've done my best to ascertain a track is public, and it is not labelled otherwise, I might go down it. Signals to it being private track will stop me.

Best way to find out about the private property but public road is to make friends/meet the locals. Probably not by rocking up in a muddy 4wd, but perhaps a different car, to ask for a future weekend. You know the whole first impressions thing. If you come across as a threat to property/livestock, you will always be perceived as such.

[Chubba]

This is obviously a very fiery subject and I would like tell you what happened to me. I was planing a drive for a group of driving enthusiast I am involved with. Nothing outrageous just a casual drive in the country. Took my maps out and planed out a 2 or 3 hour circuit. Went out that way buy myself to check it out and came across a gate. It wasn't locked and had no signage but turned around anyway. Wrote a letter to the council the next day explaining my intentions and ask what roads were open for through traffic in their area. They replied with a list I gave them and said all those roads were open for public use and and there may be the odd gate but the gates would not be locked and I could pass freely. To me that sounded like pretty clear confirmation. A week or so later I went out to do the circuit again and found one of the roads locked. Not long before a fella turned up asking why I wanted to use the road. I explained what I was doing and he said he didn't like people using the road. I said I was under the belief the road was open and would he allow me to go through. He declined to open the gate. I wasn't going to argue with the bloke and said ok and left quietly. Our discussion was cordial and he waved to me as I left. Now I thought my efforts to find out where I could go was pretty good. I reckon he had illegally closed that road. Thoughts.

[the evil twin]

Not aimed at your post Chubba, just replying in general to the thread dig

First problem - the laws and regs can be different from state to state
Second problem - the source of data on maps may be proposed, current, realigned, service roads, closed, resumed, purchased or just plain wrong.
Third problem - the class of the "track" shown, it could be a public carriageway, a public right of way, an easement or other arrangement such as an access road to service tenements etc.
IE many tracks or roads exist over private property that are easements for access to landlocked properties further up.
The easement exist in law, are mapped etc but are for the use of the property owners/tenants/individuals having business on the property/s and not the public
Another example is rights of way that the owner is required to close at least once per year.
Very common across Gov't controlled lands such as military reserves

[GeeYou8]

My 2 cents, we own a property in a Central Wheat Belt town in WA, it was a government building and backs on to the council offices. When we first bought the property everyone in town used our driveway & back yard as access to the council offices. We have not tried to stop all access, but have put up bunting when our son it playing in the back yard. Most people in town now know that we are there on weekends, it is now private property, and don't cut through when the 'troll is parked in the driveway. But we still get a few that even have to give the engine a rev as they go past the kitchen window.
Graham

[paulyg]

I live on a property outside Ballarat, I don't want people I do not know on my property, and I do not see why I would Have to justify why to anyone.

[growler2058]

I live on a property outside Ballarat, I don't want people I do not know on my property, and I do not see why I would Have to justify why to anyone.

I spose if theres a road that should be open to the public and you gate and lock it, you probably have a large dope crop or meth lab? Just sayn hahaha

[paulyg]

No road, have you been snooping around here growler?