So i tried again this morning, and to my excitement the camera was detected, downloaded software to camera/card, all done, so then turned camera on , and the camera tells me the "update failed".

Then of course the camera wont turn off, so i had to remove the battery, at this stage i gave it all to my teenage son, his first words were, "OK, but you know it NOT going to work ?",(we've been here before), i explained id wasted about 2 hours total attepting to make it work, so now its his turn ! (ha-ha)