Trailer leaf springs question.

[BigRAWesty]

What are those moustache leaves TD?

The overloading issue will still be there by moving the axle. So over time the springs will sag back and become flat...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories

[threedogs]

Overload or helper springs is the term I think. but not much travel only run 30 psi in trailer
but tows very well. Articulates well with O'brien off road coupling
.

[MEGOMONSTER]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

[macca]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

Different idea, thought they were air bags but has a lower stop one as well. Look like big rubber bushes.

What are those moustache leaves TD?

Those springs you have a photo of have me stonked, for the life of me I can not see how they keep the spring bent, they look like it wants to keep them straight. Drawing pickys on a scrap of paper has not helped me at all!!!!!

[MEGOMONSTER]

I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html

Decided to email them to get a quote out of curiosity, will be way too expensive for this exercise. Anyway lets see what their customer service is like.

[gaddy]

If your trailer is in good nick why not see what its worth to trade up to a braked one with a better load rating might not be to much if yours is still in good condition , all legal and ready to go.

steve

[MEGOMONSTER]

If your trailer is in good nick why not see what its worth to trade up to a braked one with a better load rating might not be to much if yours is still in good condition , all legal and ready to go.

steve

Good idea might look into it.

[gaddy]

If you go that way watch the quality on the cheep brands , I did a set up of a new swift co yesterday for a mates 5.5m Haines , the quality left a lot to be desired , poorly galvanized ugly welds , and cheap quality brakes , even the override brake cable was't galvanized ,

[MEGOMONSTER]

This is the response I got from Suspension Enhancenents.

Hi Mick,
Your problem is one of those problems that the Timbren Axle Less or Silent Ride Suspension will resolve.
Due to the Nature of the Aeon Springs and their progressive operation they will remain stable and provide a far softer ride than any other product even being towed as an empty trailer.
What you need is the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less Suspension or the 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride Suspension the difference is the Silent Ride has an Axle shaft. It could possibly be the one you already have on your trailer. I have attached an Axle Chart so that you can check that it has the capacity for the extra weight. As you will see you need at least a 40mm Square Axle or 45mm Round Axle to carry up to 1000kg.
As the Trailer frame sounds pretty light I suggest the Silent Ride may be better choice as the Axle Less puts a bit of Twist load on the Trailer Side chassis rails and may need some reinforcing, however it has prevision for you to fit a cross brace in to it to resolve that issue. Unless your trailer is really light the Silent Ride should just about bolt straight on. I have attached fitting instructions for both so that you can see and evaluate the difference.

The 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride is $560.00 and the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less with Ford type Stub Axles is $895.00, these are kits include left and right Suspensions plus stub axles in the case of the Axle Less. If your current Hubs are not Ford bearing compatible you would need 2 Ford Hubs for the Axle Less Suspension which would cost you $65.00 each, that’s with a stud pattern to suit your current wheels.

I don’ know whether you are aware of it but over 750g ATM you should have brakes, the best way is limit your ATM to 750kg if you can.

Also in regards to ratings the Timbren Suspension ratings are for the “Axle“ only being the combined weight on the 2 wheel patches, you add 10% to get the Trailers allowable ATM therefore a 2000lb/909kg Suspension gives a Trailer an ATM of 2200lb/1000kg.

Let me know if I can provide any more information. The email and mobile below are my direct contacts.

Regards,
Bill Emeny
Suspension Enhancement Systems Australia Pty Ltd
P: 1300 949 149
M: 0418 347 615
E: bill@suspensionenhancements.com.au
W: www.suspensionenhancements.com.au






From: Mick
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013 10:01 PM
To: info@suspensionenhancements.com.au
Subject: Axle Less Enquiry

G’day, I am thinking of upgrading my boat trailer (leaf springs)to carry a little more weight when camping. On long camping trips I could have up to 350 kg of gear.

The tyres are load rated at 650kgs each.
The boat weighs 200kgs and max boat load is 610kgs.
The trailer weighs 120kgs and max load is 749kgs.
The motor weighs say 90kgs plus let’s say 100kg of bits and pieces in the boat including anchor, chain rope, kill tank sounder, etc, etc, etc.
edit: I think I'll take it to a weigh bridge for an accurate assessment.
So that's a total for boat, motor, accessories is 390kg.
ATM and GTM on the trailer is 749kgs
Do I minus the 120kgs of the trailer off the 749kgs.
If so the 629kg less 390kgs is 239kgs to max load the trailer.
If I don't then that's 359kg to max load the trailer.
The boat max is 610kg less 170kg (motor and bits) is 440kg so the boat can hold plenty.
So either way I am at or close to the max load limit of the trailer.
So I think a upgrade is going to be best and new plate as Cuppa suggested reflecting higher load limit.
So realistically I need to get the trailer rated to the extra 440kg of the boat capacity, which is I guess to get the trailer to an ATM and GTM of 850-1000kgs.
Hope this all sounds right.

My dilemma is that 99%of the time the boat isn’t loaded with weight and I’m worried the suspension will be too stiff for the light weight most of the time.
I have been toying with many ideas like air shockers, air bags, SAX 3SDS systems, ironman load equaliser. Really not sure and saw your add in 4WDACTION magazine.
Can I get a quote for the axleless suspension and or any other solution you may have to help with my decision.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hey Mate,

That's an interesting one. I've just had a chat to our suspension manager and:

If they leafs on the trailer are 50mm wide? Most trailers are; then we'll have one that matches in width, which is a good start. After that the load plus spring is 310mm long, in order for it to fit you would need the space between the back of the diff/Axel and the shackle or mounting point at the rear of your leafs to be at least 310mm long, ideally longer.

Now we make no guarantees that this will work perfectly without having someone take a look a measure up the suspension, but if it meets the above criteria then I don't foresee you having an issue. Also they should be $125 for the set.

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This is the trailer, might need a better pis though.