thanks for the reply guys i was in 4wd hi and them low when i switched the over drive off and used the diff lock that comes as standard on the 2012 patrol that seemed to get me moving again theres a lot of black soil around i am still tring to get it out of the wheel arches it just turns to the worse sticky clay ya can imagine the kids enjoyed the car fish tailing all over the place i am wondering what the next thing i should do in regards to downhill stuff as the car runs away a bit what are boost and pyro gauges