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Thanks for the replies. My son will not be doing any towing, but he certainly is looking for rock/mountains/mud fun over touring (borrows my 4wd for that). Only thing I am still not sure about is the number K's. I would assume this would vary between the Petrol and Diesel and how well maintained which can be hard to gauge. Once he gets the vehicle I will encourage him to join a 4wd club as I have found them a great way to learn as well as lots of fun.