Manual grabbers

[the evil twin]

The main reason for imposing the 25 post rule is to stop hordes of people downloading it. The manuals are big documents and everytime someone downloads a manual it uses up AB's bandwidth allocation. AB already has the forum on the highest bandwidth plan and if that bandwidth is used up the forum will either slow right down or stop, something that none of us want to see happen.

Tony

Hence just put up a link to the Authors website and save our Bandwidth for us.

As I said I just don't see the point of hosting other Organisations stuff... absolutely agree that we have something pointing at it tho and maybe have a copy stored away in case a Doc is archived or the originating Website goes but thats pretty rare outside of the Docs that originate from Torrents and/or Pirates.

Then "visitors" can surf the links after they register at no heartache to them or us BUT they still have to be productive to use up Bandwidth for stuff that is only available here or at other restricted sites.

It does essentially boil down to Bandwidth thing we are discussing as all of the "knowledge and posts" is viewable by anyone on the 'Net (member or not) so anyone wanting to register has a 100% visibility of the site, members and culuture from dot... which is a darn good thing I reckon.

[GUte]

There are manuals avail from here??
Goes to have a look see

[Bulbous]

LOL, I was half way down the second page when I realised what a manual grabber was. I though it was some sort of cool mod.

Reason I joined, I am pretty much a newbie in 4x4 having started just over a 18 months ago in a Dodge Durango (horrible car - don't go there).
I recently bought a Patrol and I love it - but I don't understand it. I want to learn more about my car and all aspects of it's operation - pretty sure the manuals won't help there. There's no shortcut to knowledge, you can only gain it by a long process of reading and absorbing information.
So apology in advance, I will probably lurk a lot of your mechanical threads but will rarely post since I don't want to spam you with what is probably incorrect information.

However if I think that I've got valid and good information I will certainly post it. I also feel quite strongly that if I only joined yesterday then I have absolutely no right to welcome anyone to YOUR site.

Sorry to be a windbag

[growler2058]

No worries mate join in wherever And whenever ya want mAte there are all sorts of topics on here some good giggles to be had

[DX grunt]

I'm still of the firm opinion that you take it down - people can have it, but after 25 posts (or whatever arbitrary amount), they have to email AB or one of the moderators for a link to download it ... removes all of the headache in having to 'police' the site and at least then you have a valid email address for each member ...

But what do I know!!! LOL

I second that.

[trollman]

I took me quite sometime to genrate 25 posts.

If a dude is working on his patrol has greasy hands etc, halfway thru a repair job and needs some info.
You will gain a friend with immediate satisfactory help. Not By hindering I.e. 25 posts & calling them scum etc.

You lose a prospective member.

How many members on this forum? How many regular contributors?

This whole notion of 'protecting' the forum is reflecting badly on this community. Creating judgements on people that are seeking (urgent?) information.

Have a look at this from an outsiders perspective. You may not like what you see!

[Maxhead]

Fair point Trollman.

Unfortunately most do not want to contribute anything and just want the manual for nothing. It's like saying I want diesel to help my car run but I do not want to pay for it.

I think having a 25 post limit before you can download is very fair and people trying to post 25 posts of rubbish just to get it should be banned IMO.
In your case you have been a long time member and a small poster(and nothing wrong with that). You could always PM one of the admins or mods and get the manual. I see nothing wrong with that.

It's not in the spirit of this forum to call anyone scum because they want the manual instantly , we just try not to give them the satisfaction of getting something for nothing.

Each to their own I suppose and the manual is for sale on eBay. No one is stopping anyone going to buy one.

[nowoolies]

I took me quite sometime to genrate 25 posts.

If a dude is working on his patrol has greasy hands etc, halfway thru a repair job and needs some info.
You will gain a friend with immediate satisfactory help. Not By hindering I.e. 25 posts & calling them scum etc.

You lose a prospective member.

How many members on this forum? How many regular contributors?

This whole notion of 'protecting' the forum is reflecting badly on this community. Creating judgements on people that are seeking (urgent?) information.

Have a look at this from an outsiders perspective. You may not like what you see!

if the requried information is that urgent ........buy it on ebay YOU WILL GET IT QUICKER!!!!

so far anyone who has grabbed a manual is never heard from again ,

no this is not hindering. if outsider`s dont like the way OUR forum is run dont come here hindering US ,
and NO it dont reflect BADLY on OUR COMMUNITY as we all contribuite very regular, most every day.

and if a dude has greasy hands............ well he shouldnt be on the keyboard.

join in be part of our community have a laugh theres plenty of them
and bucket loads of info, tonnes of that,
with extreamly helpfull people willing to give up their time to help those in need with problems on their vehicle,..... that never stop`s.

and yes i have strong views on our community

[trollman]

Thanks Nispat,
I downloaded the manuals sometime ago.
I just wanted to defend people that could have been valuable contributors, but have been dis-encourage due to the notion of 'exclusivity'.

My main point is 'how many members v how many regular contributors'

I consider that a person requiring the manual 'info' is the person that can relatively easily be engaged and encouraged to further contribute.

a requirement of 25 posts is creating the I'll feeling, filling the forum with useless posts, generating the need to delete said posts and banning someone at a time when their main priority is to fix the patrol. The very reason why someone would attend a forum.

Turn it around - the manual will encourage people here, find away (communicate) to encourage them stay and contribute.

[trollman]

Ok,

Ban me, remove my account.

Enjoy your exclusivity!

I am a manual grabber. I gabbed them a day or two before the 25 post rule and copped abuse for it even though I joined the forum in June 2010.