The Hilux made it look easy. The Jeep looked sketchy as. Wonder how a GQ would go.
The Hilux made it look easy. The Jeep looked sketchy as. Wonder how a GQ would go.
I have also added the current vehicle lift allowances for all australian states and jurisdictions.
If anyone can find the procedures for how your vehicle is correctly measured for GVM, please let me know so I can add this. I have been told one procedure, others have been told otherwise. Seems the more I look, the more I find different answers.
Last edited by mudski; 21st June 2016 at 06:08 PM.
GVM is measure by either...
On a weighbridge as a whole vehicle
On a weighbridge as sum of axles (which lets them see if your individual axle weights or tyre ratings are exceeded)
On individual load cells where they put them on the ground and the vehicle drives onto them and all are digitally summed (which lets them see weight per wheel, weight per axle, weight per axle group and overall weight)
Dolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish.
BigRAWesty (21st June 2016), Hodge (21st June 2016), MB (21st June 2016), mudski (21st June 2016)
Thanks. This is where it gets confusing. Well to me atleast. I have been told that when they measure the GVM, they include the occupants. In My case its a seven seater, each person is calculated at 80kegs each, plus full tanks of fuel. You did mention otherwise yeah? That it was weighed without the occupants.
I found on the Australian Government ADR website their definition on GVM....
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326
"GROSS VEHICLE MASS (GVM) - the maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’."
This to me means measured with seven occupants and two full tanks of fuel included in the measurement.
My eyes are crosseyed at the moment. I just counted 26 tabs open in my web browser, all related to this and other things related. I have been reading page upon page for the last three hours, getting sidetracked and reading about other things etc etc and I don't know where Im at right now. Lol. Bout to give up for now and look again later.
Mine has been engineered as a 5 seater..Originally Posted by mudski
One of the things that have to be done with gmv upgrade I've been told..
So maybe worth asking if that's something you need to do..
Cheers
Kallen Westbrook
Pls excuse the snip...
Yes, GVM is the maximum laden mass stated by the manuf.
Yes, it cannot be legally exceeded by any combination of load.
Yes, for the purposes of calculations it is assumed people averages 80 KG
Perhaps a 70 series Troopy is a good example.
The specs ex factory is GVM 3,200 KG, a payload of 880 KG and the max seating capacity is 11.
That means you can have any combo of people, accessories, cargo and towball weight you choose AS LONG AS you do not exceed a laden weight of 3,200KG
1 scenario - If you have 200 KG of roof load and 280 KG of Accessories (Winch, Bull Bar etc) and 4 x 100 Kg blokes for a total of 3,200 KG then you are OK even tho you are 7 blokes short of 11 IE you have 7 empty seats.
2nd scenario - If you have 11 people and they weigh 95 KG then 2 have to stay behind.
3rd scenario - If you have a Driver who weighs 140 KG and 10 empty seats you are under even tho 10x80 is 800 plus driver would put you over IE 1 fat dude driving an empty 78 isn't a GVM buster
4th Scenario - you add 240 Kg of permanent accessories (lets go for a roof rack, bull bar and winch), you do not have to reduce the plated capacity by 3 seats but you sure can't fill the truck with 11 adults.
You can still use all 11 seats but you better have a heap of kids or some really skinny adults.
Now, here is where the confusion is probably coming in.
For engineering testing etc. the tests are carried out at GVM because that is what you are legally allowed to load.
On a stock 78 this may require a simulated weight distribution of 80 KG in each seat.
This is so you can't cheat and put, say, a 880 KG lead bar on the floor so the vehicle will not roll during a swerve test or whatever to certify, say, a 4 inch lift
Bottom line is GVM is a physical measurement and the scale is the judge, jury and executioner you just need to stay under the GVM.
Last edited by the evil twin; 21st June 2016 at 11:34 PM.
Dolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish.
Please excuse my late night ignorance, honestly how does a vehicle get GVM weighed in at a stop? Driver & Kids in or out of the truck?
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Everyone in that is travelling at that time as they are after the full mass of the vehicle at that time..
Cheers
Kallen Westbrook
Yep. Mine will be engineered as a five seater. I also found in Section LH...
2.2.2
Vehicle Mass (Weight)
Where a conversion has resulted in an increase in tare mass, the modified vehicle must be
weighed at a weighbridge. Individual axle masses and total mass must be recorded separately.
Where the original GVM of the vehicle is no longer applicable due to the modifications
performed, a new GVM must be determined.
So I assume this is what they will be doing with mine as its had the motor changed which has resulted in an increase in weight. Something I will ask them for sure.
Thanks ET. You have cleared this up a lot for me atleast. Scenario 4 sorted my confusion well. Legend!
If they wrote something like you just said in the ADR's it would be helpful...
Getting closer now. We have school holidays the next two weeks so it will be going in sometime then.
BigRAWesty (22nd June 2016)
There would be a lot of lawyers and public servants out of work if that was the case Mudski
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