I'm not saying the 6.5s will win a comp and i know he dosnt want a comp set up its an off road car my stereo is inder $500 for a reason because its gonna get hammered I'm saying 6x9s are shocking compared to 6.5s I suggest kallen go to a jb hifi or similar were you can play on the wall you will tell the difference big time it's clearer it's not just a cr4ppy bass sound as 6x9s or 7x10s etc will produce and running 6.5s around the doors you won't need subs as that's the point of a split and also works really well if you have or ever decide to run a DVD setup for kids etc in my and a lot of people I know agree 6x9s are a great paper weight. Sony have an explode range great really cheap but also do the job well and unless you want to hit a thousand for a set of speakers IMO is a great way to deck out a 4b and you don't have to stress about damage so much and I'm not throwing names out there but alpine clearly make superior units infinity make proberly the best speakers on the market MTX thunder series are best bang for buck you could get. I never enterd comps as the $hit that is involved with shops and mates is an unfair game I totally agree with you on that I use to build for me and mates as I build stuff to suit my needs I couldn't care about showing off to others. And hey look we have created to views for kallen to think about. Go the 6.5 splits lol