Thanks Mick, no booth, just a new big metal shed, i realise the precence of the crap factor, but as you know, ive had it painted by "professionals" with a booth, and we know the outcome of that, im over the panel shops, and so many times i hear the so called pro's have buggerd stuff up, and creating much bigger problems than a bit of fluff the paint.
Regardless of anything else, im confident it will turn out pretty shmick, perhaps from what you said now "ceramic" may not be the go ?
I wouldn't be doing a 3 layer or special effects colour outside a spray booth let alone using ceramic clear. It needs to be a very clean environment because you put down a white base, allow that to dry and then put down your special effects which is totally transparent so if you get a black bit of crap in the special effects which you will get plenty in a shed then you have to basically start again. It's common knowledge in the industry that if your paint white you get black crap and if your painting black you get white crap.lol
I was also thinking of another problem which is film build up. If you do a special effects over the top of all that paint that's already on there it may cause all sorts of problems later on. That's why most cars that get special effects are done as a bare metal respray because with all the extra base an extra clear to fill the effects your at your maximum film build already.
I would be thinking very hard about this before you spend a heap of money on a paint job which may crack, craze and the possibility of gloss drop because of excessive film build.
If your fussy then doing this type of job outside a spray booth may not come out as nice as you think. The time to respray a 4wd in solid white is about 1 hour max in a controlled environment. A respray in a controlled environment for a special effects and take 4 to 8 hours. So you can imagine how much crap can get in the paint in that time. That's just something to think about.
Cheers Mick.
yeh , thanks for the advice Mick, and while i know you have much experience in painting so i dont take your comments lightly, to be honest, im really now at the point where i must place my trust in my new painter, there is lots of things that could make doing the job easier or better,and as always heaps that can go wrong, but im not going to stress, and do the best with what ive got, and im 100% more confident we will end up with better results than it looks now (even though they had the booth), now at least, i can be there every step of the way.
We will just have to cross the crap bridge when we get that far (lol), and as i found out, a booth is no guarantee of a perfect job.
I planned on the car getting rubbed back pretty hard to get the runs and steps out of it, perhaps i can make sure its rubbed back to primer all over to reduce the build up (ill bring this point up)
If it doesn't work or im not happy, we will do something else, after all what ive gone through, im still happy to try, but like i said, im going for what i want first, not what is easy, im pretty good at doing stuff my own way, without all the right tools ,and still coming up sweet (lets hope this job is the same)
Your right a booth is no guarantee of a perfect job but you can have the best painter in the world paint a job in a shed and it can end up looking like crap though no fault of his own. If your spending this much money on a paint job you would have to be mad not to hire a booth for a day which will save you a lot of time and money in the long run. If you have a good painter and a clean spraybooth then there is no reason why you cant have a nice paint job. there are plently of shops that will hire out there booths on a weekend.
You cant really just rub the car back to the primer unless you plan on fully priming it all again. It would look like corrugated iron. You have 3 choices there, one is to chemically strip the whole car, 2 is to mechanically rub as much paint of as possible and reprime it or 3 give it a really good wet rub and paint straight over whats already there.
Good luck with it mate and I hope it all works out.
Cheers Mick.
Unfortunatly ,I doubt there is any booths or panel shops out in the sticks near where my brother in law lives Mick, and if i can get the flake sent from my cousin in the USA as planned, the cost won't actually be "that" bad, plus im obviously saving a fortune on labour.
If i had to Chemical strip the car, id most likley want to re-do any bog, as i think the stripper will soak into it and cause more problems later, so not really keen on that idea, if i "had" to strip the whole car, i think id get it Soda Blasted , but anyway, id be more than happy to and would rather, re-prime the whole car if that is needed.
Thanks again Mick, ill bring up all the points you mentioned, Ill keep this thread up to date on progress and what happens anyway, and if you think of anything else i should be aware of, please let me know.
OK , so the car went out to my new painters today
It was supposed to go last weekend, but the tow truck that was organised to pick it up, had a engine failure the day before.
I cleaned all the door jambs and hinges so they can be painted, and then i cleaned off all the black tar sealer crap the panel shop clowns used to cover the white overspray they got on my chassis rails.
Once i can get the flake, the paint job should happen pretty quick by the sound of things
OK, bit of progress, door jams have been painted in base white ....
Looks so much better all clean and the same colour.
After sanding all the panels on the outside as well, it seems there is not much paint on the car at all, which is bad , but at this stage is actually a really good thing, apperently at a educated guess, there is only one coat of clear and one of white on the car, some places has hit bare metal very easy after a quick rub.
After a light sand, all the "effect" has gone, and this was supposed to be behind the clear, so something is not right, especially when some spots are now hitting bare metal.
My 6oz of House of Kolour Ice Pearl White turned up this week....
Man this stuff is sparkly
Photos don't do it justice, you can see how little light is available by how dark my hand is , yet look how this stuff still shines !
Phark yeh !
Mate those c$&@s need to be sorted man. Even if it is through consumer affairs or similar or a current affair
Name n shame mate
HaveA tapped out new year
IF YA DONT GET STUCK YA AINT TRYIN HARD ENOUGH........OR YA TOOK THE CHICKEN TRACK
WARNING: TOWBALLS USED WITH SNATCHSTRAPS DO KILL!!
Haven't you finished this project yet Steve???? *L*
Nice work, looking forward to seeing the end result
Hope your new painter knows who he is dealing with and what you have been through with your last one
Time is never wasted when your wasted all the time
WARNING: Towballs used for recoveries can, and do kill people and damage property.
I do share your enthusiasm mate, but personally im going to try and forget and leave this one alone, (karma will sort em im sure) i just want my car back, its in good hands now.Originally Posted by growler2058
Ha-hahaha ,I know Todd, its been almost 12 months since crash, and 1 year on, id really like to have driven it back to Moreton and go thank the guys on the island who helped us that day.
Yeh Todd, he is my brother in law, we have always been good mates before he was even my bro in law, he knows me pretty well, he painted my Torana (the one in this thread) years ago so he is familier with my expectations.
He knows the full story, and genuinely wants me to be happy, he is the sort of guy who will go out of his way to make it happen for me regardless of what i want ,its so nice to have someone who listens to what i want, then, actually "doing" what i asked for, instead of something else !
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