What I don't get is why these nuckleheads even attempt to drive though this in the first place! What does it achieve? It just wrecks the roads for everyone else and gives the broader group of folks who use their vehicles to see the sights that a family sedan cannot get to a really bad name. I've never had a winch on either of the Patrols I've owned and have enjoyed a motto that if I've gotta put it into 4wd then there is a good chance the road is not in a suitable condition to be traversed and therefore we need to reassess if we can find another way to get to our destination. Like so many others in this forum, I too have had to pull so many people out of holes or sticky situations that they need not have had to get in to in the first place. I go back to backing head against red dot on the wall!