Very helpful comments bigrig, I like your experience with the jeep also. My mate has a new 2010 Wrangler rubicon and that thing crawls everywhere, I will have to find out what the final drive ratio of that is and something like that would be sweet. I was wheeling today, had to slip the clutch twice but I rekon it would of been fine If it was 1 gear lower which I assume would be around 43%, not 2 gears lower like 81%