Law passed to allow hunting in NSW national parks

[stets]

Stets,

I understand your passion about this issue, but that incident would have happened law or no law, There are halfwits out there who have carried out this sort of behaviour with guns, bows, rocks and sticks.

Without getting political there are some out there who would be happy if Australia was one big NP, but that is a ridiculous notion, we are here now


Mark

I know what you are saying... And it is true there are some no brainers out there that harm animals for fun. And there always will be.
However my argument is in relation to the half wits, the ones that would if no one says don't do it. They have enough brains to follow the law, but are snide and corrupt inside, and there are a lot of these people in society.
These are the ones that can be controlled with rules. Basic, straight forward and clear. No interpretation.

An just to clarify.... I know of a number of farmers and leaseholders that would gladly not have national parks if it meant more land to crop.


Tap,tap,tapping in your head

[Silver]

5 pages and we are still playing nicely despite strongly held views.

I'm impressed.

That's what the forumites here are about. Self respect and respect for others.

Well done.

[MC97GQ]

Silver,

We are all adults here, why can't we have different opinions without it turning into a shite fight.

I know what you are saying mate, I waded through 4 pages before I decided to post.

This is why I love coming to this forum on a daily basis, there is great respect and great fun, we can take the piss from blokes that we have never met(but would like to) and if we need some help, the people jump in - no holds barred.

This is a great place to be

Mark

[threedogs]

Correct me please but I always thought the Dingo was a ferral.
I did have one as a pet years ago, but rego 'ed as sheppard cross
Great dog

[macca86]

You could say the dingo is a feral but then you could say that about aborigines. They both came over 40 to 60 thousand years ago I may be wrong so correct me if I am. They are introduced but native all the same. But untill they are removed from the feral list that I can shoot if I see one I'll have a crack at them for the reasons of all the sheep chickens and geese they have killed on the farms I go to and Warrick council were paying 200 for a dog scalp having said that dogs are hard to get only seen one dog on my trips. Horses for courses our actions will never be liked by everyone but I do support humane killing and taking what you need

[Silver]

Crikey, Macca, some controversial words there!

I would not make that comparison to that section of our population.

My ancestors all arrived here less than 200 years ago, so are dead set fly by night pests.

Stets and others will know far more about this than me, but I have a vague recollection of Tim Flannery saying the dingos arrived 5,000 plus years ago, but not many plusses - introduced from Asia. Flannery wrote a book about the interaction between the first Australians and the extinction of the megafauna, but I don't know that he still thinks it is correct, or indeed that he ever thought of it as more than a possible, perhaps the most likely, explanation? Its been a long time since I read it. I think the book was called the Future Eaters.

Cheers,

Rick

[stets]

Recently there has been found some aboriginal art dating back between 28,000 and 80,000 years. This art clearly shows aboriginal persons with a K9 shape. Most likely a dingo.

Going by this it would say that dingoes have had more than enough time to have evolve into it's own subspecies, being unique to Australia. DNA evidence supports this. As our dingoes show many similarities to other breeds throughout Asia and Indonesia but don't share DNA sequences.

Dingoes are important to the ecosystem of our outback. In areas where dingoes are free to roam with minimal baiting and culling programs, (very remote areas, parts of the Simpson desert, kimberlies, Arnhem land, and several smaller pockets across Australia) kangaroo numbers are reasonable, wildlife is balanced, with no plague numbers, no strange deaths, and an ecosystem that takes care of itself.
The issues are where people have come along and taken over (throughout the world even) and removed the appex predators on the area, allowing lower class predators an almost free reign. These smaller predators take prey more suited to their size. Leaving the prey the larger predators used to take to breed un controllably.

Example. In many capital cities and larger regional centers. Wildlife in the area has been all but eliminated. Local bird life, many lizards, snakes, marsupials, rodents, have been killed off due to domestic pets and general population. Farm areas surrounding cities have varied wildlife populations depending on the farms history of domestic animal control.
Where farms have had cats for example local birdlife is minimal. On farmland that has only kept working dogs, birdlife, reptiles, possums, etc are around in small numbers.
It's about a balance, if dingoes were to reach a plague proportion, I'd be one of the first to say we need to control them, it's not the dingoes we need to control, it is domestic breeds gone feral that need to be controlled. Cats, foxes, rabbits, dogs, goats, pigs, buffalo, etc that once released or escaped have bred to plague proportions with the farmers and government lobbyists blaming dingoes, Roos, cockatoos, etc for the problems they face.


Tap,tap,tapping in your head

[stets]

And macca.... Exactly what do you need to take from a dingo? Do you eat the meat, wear the fur to keep warm, or even use the ground bones as an aphrodisiac?
do you "have a crack" to take revenge on them for killing the stock of the farmers that created this mess in the first place?
Or do yo shoot them simply because if you're man enough to kill one and scalp it from forehead to bumhole, the government will pay you $200 of taxpayers money.
Just remember that all the Roos you shoot, the dingoes you scalp, and the ducks/geese/ etc that get hunted formed a balance on this earth for millions of years before us humans. In our 200,000 odd year existence we have all but undone what was once a pristine planet, diverse in life. In the last 200 odd years in Australian history there are at least a dozen species that has been made extinct through selfish actions ignoring the cause of the problem only attacking the symptoms.


Tap,tap,tapping in your head

[Silver]

Hi Stets,

Macca86 will probably respond to your question in due course.

In the meantime it seems you took away something from his post that I didn't see. Well, his two recent posts.

I can confirm from direct observation that Macca86 goes out of his way to eat what he kills. He also, like me, invests a fair bit to ensure he has the right skills for the job.

Stet's, I didn't see that he claimed to eat dingo, or use the skin. What I took away from his post is that he accepts the view of officialdom that the dingo is a feral pest around Warwick where he has the opportunity to hunt. On that basis is prepared to shoot them for the bounty paid by officialdom, given the opportunity.

Stets, you have set out a view here that the right balance has not been struck between the interests of gra2iers and others, and the the native animals of Australia, with a particular focus on dingos. Still, shooting a dingo that has been declared a feral pest, whether for the bounty or not, is lawful - for the time being at least.

You make an interesting comment about being man enough to take a pelt and claim the bounty. There was a doco on the ABC about one of the most effective doggers in Queensland. That person was a woman, and extremely highly regarded for her skills in locating, trapping and shooting dogs including dingos.

Coming back to eating what we kill, and straying away from the point a bit, it is interesting what is culturally acceptable to eat. Speaking for myself, I've happily eaten venison, rabbit and pig. Some cultures won't eat pig. I am happy to eat camel, but for some reason draw the line at horse. Apparently in a big chunk of Europe, horse is a delicacy. You mused on Macca munching on a dingo. Can't really speak for him, but I draw the line at dog - yet they are farmed in Korea and elswhere for the purpose. Not saying who is right in that choice, nor who is wrong, but I find it fascinating that a highly esteemed delicacy in one place causes shudders of revulsion in others.

Rick

[macca86]

Hi stets. I understand the passion you have and your ideals I love dogs big fan of them I have only seen one dingo where I've been but didn't shoot as I wanted to see one in the wild as Rick said I use what I take for meat fur or set up traps for other larger ferals like fox pig wild dog. I am within my rights to do so while on the ferral list untill that changes I shall continue once it changes I shall stop. Here in qld you cannot shoot in state Forrest crown land or national park like other states and there is plenty of that land where I go so there's plenty of room for them and me to co exist as in now the only person that really shoots on his land of 1500 and 600 acre plots.

As for my early post aborigines brought the dingos here I think both were introduced not native to the country but both worked with the local fauna and flora and became part of the eco system unlike European culture that devesated it and the people but that's a different topic best left alone.

I'm not. Having a go or trying to sound pushy or stir you up just voicing my opinion from the other side of the fence you're on. And I'm the adventurous type and would try dog horse etc I'm Scottish waste not want not