Rosscos GQ Rejuvenation

[MudRunnerTD]

Absolutely but its both and give and take. would probably equate to 31-33" on 4.3's maybe?

Im feeling a little better.... 😎

[Winnie]

Absolutely but its both and give and take. would probably equate to 31-33" on 4.3's maybe?Yeah would be equal to 33s on 4.3s and 31s on 4.1s

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[Winnie]

Im feeling a little better.... [emoji41]Certainly doesn't make up the difference though mate, not even close.
Like we discussed, if you are happy with what you've got then leave it but it certainly shows what you can do.

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[AB]

Yep if anything Rosscos should be lacking more with the tyres V ratios.

[Rossco]

Definitely feels very strong in the bottom end and does love to pull around the 2k mark and is quite different to before, kindo used to it having nothing then coming in form 1500 ish. Even in neutral can tell the difference when you give it a little rev sounds pretty beastly now. Need to drive it a bit more to get more of a feel for it. Interesting to see the difference between mine & Daz's seeing their such similar setups, sounds like his loves pulling in the top end where as mine seems happier in the bottom wonder if that is down to tuning? ? Either way both setups sounds good, proof is in the pudding if it's good to drive happy days. .

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[MudRunnerTD]

Yep if anything Rosscos should be lacking more with the tyres V ratios.

Id have thought that his rev range at 75kmh would be similar to mine at 85kmh. So the missing link in comparing the readouts is that mine doesnt show RPM which would really show the differential.

[nissannewby]

Thats got my attention mate. Kinda lagging a little by comparison. And 120 extra newton metres.

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Its all irrelevant on the dyno. It has corrections in place for the calculation. We have been seeing this quite a bit and you can see it on ABs setup. A silvertop cam will bring on everything earlier over the t/ti cam.

Without actually worrying about what the numbers say the silvertop cam will roughly do everything aroind 400rpm earlier.

Also dont get to caught up in the differences between the dyno printouts. Dynos are just tools that we use for diagnostics and comparison. Trying to compare them to each other is very difficult.

[nissannewby]

This is the closest thing I have to be able to show you the difference. These 2 patrols have a very similar setup. Both bw turbos, both ruben 12mm, both front mounts.
Laying them over each other like this corrects them as if they were both done in similar conditions. Even though these 2 vehicles were done on the same dyno 1 after the other. The main difference one is a silvertop one is a td42t. Curves are basically the same shape but the silvertop does everything earlier. Peak numbers are similar.

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[MudRunnerTD]

This is the closest thing I have to be able to show you the difference. These 2 patrols have a very similar setup. Both bw turbos, both ruben 12mm, both front mounts.
Laying them over each other like this corrects them as if they were both done in similar conditions. Even though these 2 vehicles were done on the same dyno 1 after the other. The main difference one is a silvertop one is a td42t. Curves are basically the same shape but the silvertop does everything earlier. Peak numbers are similar.

77022

Interesting. Thats basically the difference i see between Roasco and mine.

I have copied this convo from Roascos dynos onwards over to the turbo thread as its interesting and adds value there.

[AB]

Its all irrelevant on the dyno. It has corrections in place for the calculation. We have been seeing this quite a bit and you can see it on ABs setup. A silvertop cam will bring on everything earlier over the t/ti cam.

Without actually worrying about what the numbers say the silvertop cam will roughly do everything aroind 400rpm earlier.

Also dont get to caught up in the differences between the dyno printouts. Dynos are just tools that we use for diagnostics and comparison. Trying to compare them to each other is very difficult.

I assume they do corrections on weight of vehicle too and even the weight of when they torque the car down to the rollers with straps, etc?

So Darren and Rosscos cars are completely different with Rosscos being shiploads lighter and from different tuners, understand they probably calculate all that but thats only accurate with a guess of what the operator puts the data in as they both have shiploads of different accessories added and fuel, drawers, bars, winches, etc or is that minor in results?

I'll have to drag all mine out and overlay them, would be interested to see between my old silver and the Td42TI.

[AB]

Id have thought that his rev range at 75kmh would be similar to mine at 85kmh. So the missing link in comparing the readouts is that mine doesnt show RPM which would really show the differential.

Yeah I wish you both had RPM read outs...

[nissannewby]

I assume they do corrections on weight of vehicle too and even the weight of when they torque the car down to the rollers with straps, etc?

So Darren and Rosscos cars are completely different with Rosscos being shiploads lighter and from different tuners, understand they probably calculate all that but thats only accurate with a guess of what the operator puts the data in as they both have shiploads of different accessories added and fuel, drawers, bars, winches, etc or is that minor in results?

I'll have to drag all mine out and overlay them, would be interested to see between my old silver and the Td42TI.


I have your readouts. You have a difference of pretty much the same as the ones I posted above and the same as darrens vs rossco. While there are subtle differences between the td engines the one thing that seemingly makes that difference is the cam. We have quite a few results now proving this.

[Rossco]

Gave the thing a service and replaced brake pads with genuine ones and brakes definitely feel better, pretty happy with them now all things considered. Knew the rears were getting low but crickey not much left on one pad lol. .

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Just need to replace both tie rod ends as they have a bit of slop and dreaded death wobbles have been rearing their head for a bit and pumping it full of grease isn't quite cutting it anymore.

Noticed cold starting not entirely perfect still, bit of white smoke and little rough, don't know what's going on there, apart from that bloody good and better than before, hot starting is perfect now.

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[mudski]

Gave the thing a service and replaced brake pads with genuine ones and brakes definitely feel better, pretty happy with them now all things considered. Knew the rears were getting low but crickey not much left on one pad lol. .

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Just need to replace both tie rod ends as they have a bit of slop and dreaded death wobbles have been rearing their head for a bit and pumping it full of grease isn't quite cutting it anymore.

Noticed cold starting not entirely perfect still, bit of white smoke and little rough, don't know what's going on there, apart from that bloody good and better than before, hot starting is perfect now.

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Yeah I went from Bendix 4wd pads to OEM and its way better... As for your cold starts, maybe you have fuel leaking back via the filter head through the primer pump. Have you got one of those brake line clamps you can use on the fuel line just after the filter head? If you clamp it off and then leave it over night and then remove it and see. This may help with the outcome.

[Rossco]

Been giving the old girl a bit of love this week just fixing lots of little nigling things that have been annoying. . . Fixed indicator light in cluster that wasn't working, just needed contacts cleaned, new washer motors- squirts with power now and bolted down tablet holder to dash after the crazy corugations on useless loop destroyed that lol . . . Was a fun job had to sticky tape the nuts too a spanner to get them on lol. . Decided to put a catch can on it too went with a HPD one have to say it's a very nice kit, if my filter was still on the original side would have been a bolt in kit but made a bracket and put it on other side and fits nice. Ready to enjoy i reckon . . .http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/12/401.jpg

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[Rossco]

Gave the old banger some attention today. . For some strange reason the stereo just s#!t itself and was dead as a doornail so replaced it with another pioneer single din unit. Pretty easy all just plugged back in and sounds better than the old one not that ther old one was bad. . Gave the inside a good clean as haven't done this since cape jaffa and sand everywhere lol. .

Got a bit excited the other day and ordered some snazzy OME BP51's for it, so had to swing over to patrolapart to pick up some extended bump stops as they are long travel ones. Pretty keen to see how these bad boys go just quietly, everything everyone says about them is pretty positive.

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Not much to them without a CD player! The new one is good it's only half the depth as is the GME so makes it a bit less tight at the back. .

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[Hodge]

You will love the bp51s !!!

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[PeeBee]

Look forward to the report Rossco, unsure if I want to go that way or stick with the hydraulic Koni's.

[Winnie]

Very very keen to hear your reports on the shockies mate. Planning on getting a set asap.

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[AB]

Ooow BP’s very snazzy mate, keen to see how they perform too!!!


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[Rossco]

Yeah should be good hopefully looking forward to giving them a good test. . . Think the deciding point was on useless loop rd in WA, relentless corugations and was painfully slow, thought one day gonna spoil myself to some good shocks lol. . Old ones have done some work and done well. .

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[Rossco]

Well haven't posted here for a while lol. Anyways looking back shocks have had a fair test and all I can say is brilliant ! They're Set pretty soft haven't even bothered to adjust and play with them but they are great and just seem to do what's best whatever you throw at them. . .

Anyways thanks to Winnie scored some mint second hand Stratos seats for a good price. Gooood riddance to those horrible Autoteknica's guess you get what you pay for lol. Just finished fitting them up, they came with 100 series and 79 series bases and ended up adapting the 79 ones to line up with the GQ holes. Very happy with how they fit can adjust easily without being too tight, can't wait to go for good drive see how they go but feels like it will be driving a couch lol. Luckily heading off to Big Desert tomorrow for a few days can't wait !!http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/10/173.jpghttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2019/10/174.jpg

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[Plasnart]

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[mudski]

Nice. I'd like to do this to mine. Even though I re cushioned the drivers seat. Its still pretty uncomfortable. Isn't there some sort of road worthy issue with using different seats though? Or is it about the rails, or something...

[PeeBee]

Nice. I'd like to do this to mine. Even though I re cushioned the drivers seat. Its still pretty uncomfortable. Isn't there some sort of road worthy issue with using different seats though? Or is it about the rails, or something...

Its around the mounts to the car and the seat. If you don't intend getting it engineered, them put in what you like. If its going thru the engineering process, would pay to do some homework first and find out what is required. I am unsure about the seats though - would think if its an after market new seat you would not have issue, but there may be some assessment for say a transplanted seat from another model - say XR* seats into a Patrol which is a common swap. I have a Recaro drivers seat sitting on a Bostrum base that came out for engineering - need to find out what the go is there some time as a bit of coin tied up sitting in the garage.

[mudski]

Thanks Phil. Sounds like too much work. I used to sell Bostrom seats years ago too.

[Family4x4]

Came here at about 10:30am to find out about inner guard bracing just finished now ( with a few breaks) great build and thread!

[Rossco]

Nice one, cheers Sean. Certainly a fun project been watching your work in progress too, coming aging nicely. Looking forward to seeing how it comes up, although do have to admit I like the old Lux too had an old dual cab one like that years ago. .

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[Rossco]

So dragged the old girl out of the shed to help Nicko and see if we're could get down the hanger of the tree. . . All was going well till a bit of a clunk and then some suspect noises lol. . Ended up tearing captive nut(s) out of the winch. One was already damaged with a dodgey Sellys kneed it fix and then all too much for the poor high mount. Was a decent bit of lumbar that was speared into the ground and ploughing in and the top was pretty firmly wedged in there so were asking a lot lol. . .

Anyways time to get it going stronger with some mods while apart . .

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[PeeBee]

Bad news Ross. Did you get the tree down though? I am a little surprised at the failure as the bolts should not have been taking much load - they are more positional than in tension, the load in compression is into the bar - maybe the damage was already done? Looks like the pull is pretty well straight into the winch?

[Rossco]

Yeah damage already done I think. I did also think bolts more just position with most force getting put through bar but as rope isn't exactly in line with centre of drum / bolts there is a bit of twisting force going on from top to bottom and there would have been a huge amount of force going through everything was pulling pretty hard. . Anyways good to happen where it didn't ruin a weekend of driving so all good. Got it mostly down with a much smaller bit firmly still wedged in there so good for now!

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[Rossco]

Got the winch out and stripped down ready for a bit of love. . .

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Made a High Mount bench top holder as they are top heavy and a PITA wanting to fall over all the time. .

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Sooo much better! Stripped the thing down all looking clean inside, there's definatly merit to adding drain & fill plugs and changing oil. . .
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Pick up bits next week sometime and get it back together. . .

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Buggered bottom housing, the top mount was already buggered so all force going through bottom mount and all too much lol. . .

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[PeeBee]

Just a little bit buggered I reckon!

[mudski]

Contact Mal at S.G Leslie & sons for any mods. He’s the guru when it comes to hi mounts. He rebuilds brand spankers into better than new than what Warn can do.

He’ll do any winch too for the fact.


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[Rossco]

Ooh yay, little closer. . . Just a little bit excited [emoji39] . . .http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/06/2.jpg

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[Plasnart]

Contact Mal at S.G Leslie & sons for any mods. He’s the guru when it comes to hi mounts. He rebuilds brand spankers into better than new than what Warn can do.

He’ll do any winch too for the fact.


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I second that. He is an old school genius genuine craftsman.

[Rossco]

YAY winch back together - New lower housing, brace kit, upgraded brake shoes, freespool delete and delta tek air freespool. . Can't wait to see how she goes . . http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/06/91.jpghttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/06/92.jpg

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[MB]

Looking great there Wossco Mate, Well Done!
Mark my words, give that new awesome Delta drum a half dozen home 30m sprints before next departure to free it up from new.
I didn’t and very glad nobody was watching on a solo snow slipping like a facefirst ostrich idiot :-)




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[PeeBee]

Rossco, why is the mechanical free spool deleted? What's the mechanism on the air free spool that makes for the improvement?

[MB]

Spool itself is cogged mate, alleviates pulling extra gears on the sprint, just have to spin the barrel only [emoji106][emoji106]


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[PeeBee]

OK, so a manual slide is replaced by an air operated slide. I know the free spool was a pain on both of my high mounts simply because they tended to seize up with inaction. I guess if the mechanics are inside the drum they are protected, and there probably is a lot more avail force to engage/disengage?

[MB]

Somewhat similar to a starter motor bendix throwing into action except the exact opposite reaction I believe Philstar.
I think when our air is applied it throws the cogg forward off the piston line for unhindered barrel release.


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[Rossco]

Rossco, why is the mechanical free spool deleted? What's the mechanism on the air free spool that makes for the improvement?The old school warn way of free spooling is pretty crude really as you would remember. It's pretty dam hard top pull out as your spinning all the gears up to the motor. The freespool delete supports everything much stronger and also makes sure it can't pop out into freespool on its own. The air freespool is in the drum between the drum and spline which goes into the bottom gear so disconnects it right at the drum end. Can't really see it, mechanism is in center of drum but tested it on bench and seems to work, put air to it and will disengage. Assume it is a piston that moves a splined section in & returns with spring pressure or similar. .

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[PeeBee]

Thanks Ross, yes it was a bloody pain especially when sitting for a while.

[Rossco]

Yeah near on useless I reckon, lucky there's a million and one upgrades for them! At least spooling out with the motor aint too bad they're reasonably quick. .

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[Rossco]

Yay, winch back in and all seems to be working as it should. Just need to wire air solenoid hopefully get sum shed time next couple of nights. . http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/06/144.jpg

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[MB]

Top Stuff Wossco, ready to roll [emoji106][emoji106]
If you haven’t already mate, be sure to secure the supplied Delta air line clip snugg to the passenger side casting plate.
Mine came loose and allowed the line to twist up a rotation or two, think I zippy tied it back a few times along the line also to take some pressure off the pissy little clippy given.


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[mudski]

Nice one. Whats next on the list?

[Rossco]

Probably use it lol, but maybe taller 5th gear if we ever get to stretch out legs and bring our germs to other states [emoji39] . .

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[Rossco]

Managed to do a bit of lockdown legal winching today and try out new air freespool and recovery gear. . Had my eye on a nice large rock that thought would look good in the garden 200m up the neighbor's gully. Luckily enough he was happy for me to rip it out so made up a bit of a sled to pull thing out. Managed to drive about 100m up then used a heap of extensions to go the rest. .

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Wet as a shag lol. .

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Air freespool is brilliant seemed to loosen up a bit after a bit of load. Snatch Ring & soft shackle also brilliant only thing is snatch ring really have to set it or will slip off ring especially on shallow angles but other than that works real well.

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[PeeBee]

Just lamenting about all the carnage done to the highly endangered Christmas Hills wild grasses, loss of habitat to the pink lipped chirping splayed foot burrowing frogs and of course the disruption to the lives of the local Lead Beater Possums as your ozone depleting monster destroyed a quiet day for them, not to mention, which of course I will, the removal of historical stone age artifacts from its culturally sensitive resting place where it has resided for the last 25 trillion years - shame on you Rossco, wish I was there to help, ya selfish bugger.

Good to see the winch helped you achieve you goal.

[Rossco]

Bwahahah funny thing was I was just winch bitch running up and down Nicole was the one that caused all the carnage. . . Did a good job although retreated to leave me to clean up the mess damit. . .

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[jay see]

Just lamenting about all the carnage done to the highly endangered Christmas Hills wild grasses, loss of habitat to the pink lipped chirping splayed foot burrowing frogs and of course the disruption to the lives of the local Lead Beater Possums as your ozone depleting monster destroyed a quiet day for them, not to mention, which of course I will, the removal of historical stone age artifacts from its culturally sensitive resting place where it has resided for the last 25 trillion years - shame on you Rossco, wish I was there to help, ya selfish bugger.

Good to see the winch helped you achieve you goal.Bloody hell, you been taking writing lessons from @MB..[emoji1787]

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[Sprock]

You forgot the 3 legged , spotted tongued, wrinkle backed , scaley nosed , barking frog mouthed , tawny whistle nosed , 2 dicked , moss covered daytime moth - you absolutely destroyed his specialised habitat - it lives nowhere else in the world - except that exact gully . I’m an expert so I know - don’t question me or I’ll have you blocked 🤪

[PeeBee]

You forgot the 3 legged , spotted tongued, wrinkle backed , scaley nosed , barking frog mouthed , tawny whistle nosed , 2 dicked , moss covered daytime moth - you absolutely destroyed his specialised habitat - it lives nowhere else in the world - except that exact gully . I’m an expert so I know - don’t question me or I’ll have you blocked ��

Just as well they broke the mould you came out of, the world would get nothing done if it listened to your 'hilarity' every day - absolute gold, and I don't doubt a word of it!!

[Sprock]

Hahaha Phil , I miss you to mate 😉

[Rossco]

May have got a little excited the other day and dropped into Mark's 4WD. Wanted to get a taller 5th but ended up walking out with that plus 40 something transfer gears damit. . . http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/11/20.jpg

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[PeeBee]

May have got a little excited the other day and dropped into Mark's 4WD. Wanted to get a taller 5th but ended up walking out with that plus 40 something transfer gears damit. . . http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/11/20.jpg

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Naughty boy Rossco! There was a set of overdrive gears on FB, 4000k old for $850 - almost bought them, but decided to wait a bit. Will be keen to hear if the overdrive gears run silently or howl like the transfer case gears do - though it might be the 85% reduction gears only - unsure, however did hear the surface finish on the red gears was the culprit. Are you going to do the installation yourself?

[PeeBee]

Did you buy reduction gears and over drive gears?

[Rossco]

Haha, yeah. . . Plan is to pull the transfer off, then do the 5th gear installation myself which you can do from the back of the box whilst still in car, then take the transfer to YV 4WD to do. Wouldn't have a clue which bit goes where no instructions just a box of bits lol but give it a crack. . Was umming and arring about low range, didn't want to go crazy low so it was between the 20 something and 40 something and dude talked me into the 40s so should be good hopefully !! ABs seems happy with his and is exact same setup . .

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[Winnie]

Haha, yeah. . . Plan is to pull the transfer off, then do the 5th gear installation myself which you can do from the back of the box whilst still in car, then take the transfer to YV 4WD to do. Wouldn't have a clue which bit goes where no instructions just a box of bits lol but give it a crack. . Was umming and arring about low range, didn't want to go crazy low so it was between the 20 something and 40 something and dude talked me into the 40s so should be good hopefully !! ABs seems happy with his and is exact same setup . .

Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkWow mate you're unreal! So jealous... Just want those reductions!

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[MudRunnerTD]

Haha, yeah. . . Plan is to pull the transfer off, then do the 5th gear installation myself which you can do from the back of the box whilst still in car, then take the transfer to YV 4WD to do. Wouldn't have a clue which bit goes where no instructions just a box of bits lol but give it a crack. . Was umming and arring about low range, didn't want to go crazy low so it was between the 20 something and 40 something and dude talked me into the 40s so should be good hopefully !! ABs seems happy with his and is exact same setup . .

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AB has 63% reductions which are the custom sets. Marks do the 43% and the 83%

[Rossco]

Ah rodger, that kinda makes me happy, definatly glad didnt go with the 20 whatevers. Looking for slightly lower but not a crazy crawler. Sure I'll be happy with these, full low ones wouldn't suit my driving style I think whatever that is lol. .

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[MB]

Awesome choice Rossco, personally reckon your circa 150rwkw TD42Ti with 43% reduction through to your 4.6 pumpkins powering 35’s will be the absolute perfect Vic-HC match IMH Acronym Opinion [emoji23][emoji106]
Our 6.5NA grunter slug is a wee bit too slow with 63% through to 4.3’s powering the same rubber sized boots.
You’re going to Love IT [emoji7][emoji1696][emoji106]


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[MB]

Welcome to borrow our die grinder when the time comes too mate, I believe the higher 20’s from Marks are the only gears that don’t need slight internal casting alterations to fit, 43% I’m pretty sure does require a whisker or two off to fit.


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[Rossco]

Cheers Markie, seriously under the pump with work ATM so Yarra Valley 4WD have kindly offered to sqeeze in transfer case rebuild this week provided its out of the car. Also got talked into rebuild kit as it has around 460K in it crazy not to whilst in bits I spose. . Called patrolapart and were fully booked till December the 8th!! Hoping the 5th gear is a relatively straight forward install, from what I've heard different sound too bad. .

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[MB]

Bugger the box sound Mate, happy to yell louder as your New Navi soon pretty please [emoji23][emoji1696][emoji106]


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[Rossco]

Bugger the box sound Mate, happy to yell louder as your New Navi soon pretty please [emoji23][emoji1696][emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHaha woops, typo meant doesn't sound too bad (to install). . Definatly looking forward to longer legs on the highway, should be much better, hope'n. . . But yes keen as mustard to get the old girl out there [emoji106]

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[MB]

A quick safety word of warning Rossco and others no doubt closely following your Magnificent Silver Brumby rebuild [emoji106][emoji106]
We do honestly need to relearn our twucks once reduction gears are installed. Not so much on climbing/crawling upwards but descending on very long tracks with varying terrain can become hazardous until familiar with your new set up...torquey...get up [emoji23]
A known experienced decent for me was that I ran out of RPM in a now extra slow 1st LR and couldn’t regain momentum traction needed.
I now select 2nd LR on that decent as it becomes a traction balancing act of rock scrabbling through to slick sliding and then back again if that makes sense.
Worst thing we can do is change our gear minds half way up or down and hit ‘Angel Gear’ (NO GEAR) and away we ALL go with horrific momentum consequences :-(


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[PeeBee]

A quick safety word of warning Rossco and others no doubt closely following your Magnificent Silver Brumby rebuild [emoji106][emoji106]
We do honestly need to relearn our twucks once reduction gears are installed. Not so much on climbing/crawling upwards but descending on very long tracks with varying terrain can become hazardous until familiar with your new set up...torquey...get up [emoji23]
A known experienced decent for me was that I ran out of RPM in a now extra slow 1st LR and couldn’t regain momentum traction needed.
I now select 2nd LR on that decent as it becomes a traction balancing act of rock scrabbling through to slick sliding and then back again if that makes sense.
Worst thing we can do is change our gear minds half way up or down and hit ‘Angel Gear’ (NO GEAR) and away we ALL go with horrific momentum consequences :-(


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I'm starting to feel ill. I understood more than half of that.

[MB]

Not to worry Brother, you will feel even sickerer sliding on 83% torque reduction down a wet Champion Link Trek [emoji23]


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[MB]

Relearn your beach/touring runs too Rossco Mate!
Waffling on here....but....you’re lucky to be running 150rwkw to keep in HR 4WD on say shell grity runs to the mouth of the Mighty Murray :-)
Get ready to be running 4th/5th overdrive LR in the gnarlier grit for momentum to keep your EGT’s & TD42Ti water temps down [emoji106][emoji106]



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[PeeBee]

Not to worry Brother, you will feel even sickerer sliding on 83% torque reduction down a wet Champion Link Trek [emoji23]


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As long as the wheels are turning super slow and I am off the brakes, happy days but it's been 25 yrs since travelling that track so take your word for it - is that where you reduced the volume of your fuel tank?

[MudRunnerTD]

As long as the wheels are turning super slow and I am off the brakes, happy days but it's been 25 yrs since travelling that track so take your word for it - is that where you reduced the volume of your fuel tank?

Yeah that is the one you went around i think. Crazy steep with big rocks.

[PeeBee]

Yeah that is the one you went around i think. Crazy steep with big rocks.

No, you guys did that on the friday heading to camp i believe up the top of BJT. Winnie and i arrived later on friday night after work, missed the first adventure day.

[Rossco]

Yeah that's right, bloody good trip, apart from the second night [emoji6] ! ! !

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[Rossco]

Worst thing we can do is change our gear minds half way up or down and hit ‘Angel Gear’ (NO GEAR) and away we ALL go with horrific momentum consequences :-(


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Ah, reminds me of a usual bush drive 40 series LC style. . . Ah good times many a times that thing tried to kill me. . [emoji51]


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[Rossco]

Transfer case out, all went pretty smoothly really. .http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2020/11/25.jpg

Made a makeshift transmission jack with a quick crude frame drilled & taped to the trolley jack and worked a treat. .

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Just need to work out the 5th gear. Looks as if need to support the gearbox and remove crossmember and rear housing on gearbox, then hopefully doesn't get too fiddly. . Can see a bit of a high tide mark probably from bloody Balfour swamp but apart from that everything else looking pretty good.

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[PeeBee]

Plenty of pics pls Rossco. Happy to get the context also of you doing this at ground level, although I reckon when the time comes for me to do the 5th gear upgrade I will get a shop to do it, maybe.

[Winnie]

Rossco I remember a while ago us trying to sort out a speed correction for the GQs. I actually just check with Patrolapart and got this response from Aaron. I got quoted $75 for the part needed, part number 3270331G16 for a 16 tooth.

"As for the speedo, you can change the gear on the end of the speedo drive in the transfer case.
Just slip yours out, count the teeth, then buy the tooth count that will change it approx. 20% which should be 2 teeth different to what you have."

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[PeeBee]

Rossco I remember a while ago us trying to sort out a speed correction for the GQs. I actually just check with Patrolapart and got this response from Aaron. I got quoted $75 for the part needed, part number 3270331G16 for a 16 tooth.

"As for the speedo, you can change the gear on the end of the speedo drive in the transfer case.
Just slip yours out, count the teeth, then buy the tooth count that will change it approx. 20% which should be 2 teeth different to what you have."

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I came across an article listing the different gears V tyre changes somewhere, will try to dig this up - might have even been on here?. Changes being stock to 35" tyres is a single issue, and 10% gear ratio change in 5th a different one - not sure you can achieve the speed change conversion as in this case one is a ratio change across all gears being the bigger tyres and the second is a ratin change on only 1 gear - at least that what i am taking from this Winnie.

[Rossco]

Yeah it all seemed simple and there is a really good thread on here that has a great little table with tyre size, diff ratio and sprocket size needed. Spoke to Shorty (Patrolapart) about it and seemed the problem was getting the plastic sprocket off or something? Anyways cant quite remember and but might revist it soon. Seems like the simplest and cheapest solution i reckon, Marks so a kit for 250 but changing sprocket much better & cheaper I reckon.

In regards to the gearbox mods, all was going way too well had a feeling that all was to good to be true. . Got the crossmember and rear housing off Saturday evening then decided to start a fresh the next day. . Well that didn't help, went to pull off the bearing on the back of the main shaft and didn't realize there are little C retaining clips so kept cranking till the outer shell cracked and went flying damit. . . So now left with the inner with nothing to grab on to with the puller so had to grind some little slots then eventually got the bugger off. . Then tried to pull 5th with selector syncros off but just couldn't get in there with the puller so after stuffing around with puller (like trying to wrestle a bloody octopus) gave up and drank sum beer which was the best decision of the day by far. . .

Called YV 4WD today and they are happy to do the 5th gear for us just need to get it there lol. So to answer you query Phil, yes can be done but need a good selection of pullers, the gear on the main shaft looks like you need a cup type puller too which I didn't have. Working under vehicle wasn't too bad really, just wasn't happening with what I had lol . .

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[PeeBee]

So you now have to take the gearbox out as well? When its all said and done I will be interested in the swap over cost of the gearset in the box, just so I know what i am up for. Bloody shame its gone this way for you though. Do you need a hand to do this?

[Rossco]

So you now have to take the gearbox out as well? When its all said and done I will be interested in the swap over cost of the gearset in the box, just so I know what i am up for. Bloody shame its gone this way for you though. Do you need a hand to do this?Cheers Phil, all good I'm sure I've still saved labour costs and learnt a bit more in the process so all good. Going to take the car over tomorrow hopefully with the help of MB and the Acco which is awesome. .

Bit more of a drama with the bloody thing damit, YV called and were running into a few issues installing with no instructions. Anyways they got onto Marks and got them although had been emailed to me but attachment was hiding down the bottom of message so never saw it lol. . Hopefully should be on track now, always a drama. . .

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[PeeBee]

Its going to be a great combo though Rossco, longer legs and greater reduction in the low range, worth the bee stings.

[Rossco]

So you now have to take the gearbox out as well? When its all said and done I will be interested in the swap over cost of the gearset in the box, just so I know what i am up for. Bloody shame its gone this way for you though. Do you need a hand to do this?GQ is getting there, back in shed with 5th gearset installed and transfer done complete with new handbrake shoes. Paid 360 in labor for the 5th gear (can't complain bout that) and 900 for complete transfer rebuild (labor) . . A few more bearings and seals here and there that went in the kit and she should be happy[emoji106] Definatly saved in some labor and should be fairly easy to get back together now. . Massive cheers again Markie for Christmas Hills transport services, bloody legend mate [emoji106][emoji106]

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[PeeBee]

Good news Rossco, at least I have a budget number to work with

[Rossco]

GQ back together and all good (almost lol) Reductions are wicked really happy with the 43% so far (up & down driveway). Nice and slow but not too slow for me anyway. 5th gear is THE best, wish I did it ages ago, car is finally happy at 100. Sits bang on 2G @ 100 and cruises soooo much better.

Only problem at the mo is not shifting from two to four easily? When first put the shifter back on and tried couldn't select 4 at all then finally forced it in then was perfect after that, but after test drive is bloody hard again damit. . Will keep having a fiddle but hoping the transfer doesn't have to come out and apart again but looking like potentially might have to grr. .

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[jay see]

I know that ours cars are completely different, but how good are those reduction gears transformed mine.

I took the easy way tho, paid for someone else to do it. Good on you for doing it at home.[emoji123]

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[Rossco]

Haha, I did the easyish bits but yeah would have saved a bit. Playing around seems to be working OK now so will see how she goes. Heading away next week with the thing so will certainly know by then if it's behaving itself.

Yeah very big difference and lov'n it, so glad I did the 5th too so good. .

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[Rossco]

Rolling around under the GQ sussing out the exhaust with potential to reroute and hug the chassis with plans of a custom stainless water tank on LHS of shaft. . . Anyways spotted a coolant leak coming from oil filter / oil cooler area. . Will need to get onto this, is this most likely simply gasket or something more complex / sinister. Not sure whether to tackle myself or take into shop pretty busy ATM as always lol. . Also need to get into oil leak from breather that is making a mess everywhere. .


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[MB]

Get onto a shop and beg ASAP if too busy yourself Rossco Mate!
Incredible how long lead times appear to be over the last few months since lockdown release on all things mechanical & off-road etc...
Can we find some quick time this weekend to hills pressure test the coolant system for starters squirts maybe?






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[Winnie]

The oil cooler is pretty easy to do, I did mine when it was out of the car but it's just a couple of o rings and a few gaskets inside it.
Would be much trickier in the car though. That one leaking would just be the large external gasket.
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[MB]

@MissusWinnie, can Chrisso come and please help Rossco this weekend, your blokes got skills & experience [emoji120][emoji23]

EDIT: Just confirming, the hills are an alcohol free vegan environment rest assured [emoji106][emoji106]

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[Rossco]

Cheers gents, sweet at least nothing to nasty by the looks of it, might do a Patrolapart trip soon, already have a bit of a list lol. . She's booked into Lilydale mufflers & towbars on Friday see how we go with the exhaust its currently finishing at the diff which isn't ideal so will be good to get that sorted and hopefully leave a good spot for water tank [emoji106]

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[MB]

Top choice Rossco, he’s our valley favourite for all things muffler/towbar big & small too [emoji106][emoji106]
GQ Gramps scored a quick cheap new muffler and redirection only 2 weeks ago from old mate as well before suspension/arms work forthcoming.
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[MudRunnerTD]

Rolling around under the GQ sussing out the exhaust with potential to reroute and hug the chassis with plans of a custom stainless water tank on LHS of shaft. . . Anyways spotted a coolant leak coming from oil filter / oil cooler area. . Will need to get onto this, is this most likely simply gasket or something more complex / sinister. Not sure whether to tackle myself or take into shop pretty busy ATM as always lol. . Also need to get into oil leak from breather that is making a mess everywhere. .


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Hmmmmm. would be good to confirm where that coolant is coming from mate. a pressure test as MB suggested would be a good start. If could be as simple as a Welsh plug or something. but need to get onto it, it should not be there for sure.

[MudRunnerTD]

Ghee thinking now though, How old is that motor mate? surely it has not blown a welsh plug? was that a fresh build?

[Rossco]

Yeah definatly a go to, happy to do whatever slightly obscure mods without fuss [emoji106]

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[Rossco]

Ghee thinking now though, How old is that motor mate? surely it has not blown a welsh plug? was that a fresh build?Yeah tis, pretty certain it's coming from main oil cooler gasket. Also leaking coolant from bottom radiator hose clamp, it's tight but must just be elongated at the nut bit. . Another thing to the list lol. . .

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[MB]

[emoji354] [emoji2174][emoji23]


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[Rossco]

So ended up taking into YV 4WD got oil cooler and breather leaks all fixed and motor clean as now could at dinner off it lol. . . Yep, very happy to pay rather than bother with that job, sometimes just not worth it. . .

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In the meantime rustled up a cage for the fridge with room for travel buddy up top, got it powder coated along with gear stick which came up awesome [emoji106][emoji106]

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Also replaced rubber boot ontop of gearbox, as although wasn't that old was knackered. . All good now lol . .
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[Rossco]

Finally got the lithium installed and pretty much all wired up in the back. . Sits pretty prefect in little hidey hole behind rear drawers. .

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Mounted redarc 25amp bcdc charger, fuse box and Ando inlets for solar and 240 charger plus an outlet on back of cargo barrier. . She's petty much all wired up so much better having a central fuse box rather a million in line fuses coming off battery and not knowing which is which lol. . Also put in cheap shunt & monitor seems to work well so far. .

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[PeeBee]

Look good Ross. Jaycar sell LED fuses that show instantly which circuit is blown, bloody cheap and saves pulling fuses out willy nilly. i have upgraded all mine, best thing i did for a while. No dear either. If you buy them off ebay they are 10 times dearer.

[Winnie]

Oh bloody fancy!! Me likey a lot, well done Rossco.

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[Rossco]

Bit more lockdown love on the old girl, wiring, wiring seems like it never ends lol. . . New light bar on roof seeing as ran power up there. . .

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Tidied up main battery and ran little fuse block off terminal post with midi fuse hidden under relay cover . . Should have got a before pic bit for dramatic purposes was something like this. .

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Not quite as bad as this but close maybe. .

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To this much better [emoji846] . . .

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Now second optima not hooked up to anything so ready to hook up redwinch supercharger for some 24V goodness [emoji106][emoji106]. . .

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[Plasnart]

That's great Rossco. So you can now 24V the shiat out of that recovery all from 12V?

[MudRunnerTD]

#24vTheWorld

[MB]

I’ll memory stick with you & your matfew sailing Mate [emoji106][emoji106]


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[MB]

Thank you kindly Rossco Mate, final calculations are in, your morning super helpful 12v double line haul was nearly 11,000kg of single spinner steel and crushed rock combined [emoji23]

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Can’t wait to see what your future 24v High Mount assistance can do for our weekend drivers wacky reversing lines [emoji2957][emoji23]
He’s bought you a box of Coopers too, NO Arguments [emoji120][emoji106][emoji106]


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[Rossco]

TBH I can't believe it kept pulling bloody amazing those High Mounts really thought threre was no chance looking at that back wheel buried in the goo. . .[emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

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[MB]

Wossco’s Weekend Wecovery Thexy Twelve or Twenty Faw Thervices [emoji23][emoji106][emoji106]

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[MB]

Legend, THANKYOU [emoji120][emoji120]


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[Plasnart]

Good luck with the swap mate!

Oi mate just download the manuals. You don't need 25 posts.

[Avo]

Oi mate just download the manuals. You don't need 25 posts.And that is when he stopped being and astrofuckinaut n started reading the farming rules...like a lepper in a hand out colony

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[Rossco]

Took a slight detour when on the road the other day and ended up at Roardrunner Offroad damitt

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. . Few snazzy bits for the old girl upgraded brake shaft for the HM some new rope & hook and finally got myself a big black dildo to strap on the front. . . Did notice she got unusually hot on one of the scorchers the other day and looks like front of air con condenser still pretty dirty from $1000 dollar track so as brake shaft was on the cards may a well get bar, grill and intercooler off to give a good clean from front side and hopefully all good . .[emoji1696][emoji1696]

Also found windscreen leak that has plagued me since the rebuild had replaced all scrivets thinking that was it but still no good. . Looks like windscreen seal so at least its tracked down bit so should be able to get it sorted[emoji106][emoji106]



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[PeeBee]

Ah where you be without a big black dildo in Christmas hills - I guess there isn't much else to do out there after you have strummed your way thru the same tooone 69 times!

[Winnie]

Now that's a hook I'd like to trudge through swampy Tassie mud!

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[MudRunnerTD]

Nice one mate. 12mm rope for the win. Awesome. What diameter us the dildo? Check out Markys. I highly recommend replacing that bottom bolt with a pin and clip so you can take it off while.commuting. winner.

You will be impressed with the brake shaft too. It wasn't until.i fitted one that I realised how much of an upgrade it was, not just a circuit change.

We need to get that 24v pumping mate!!!

[MudRunnerTD]

You probably won't fit 40m of 12mm on your drum either. When I make the soft shackles I needed about 3m of 12mm per shackle FYI or.make a 10m extension strap (well 7m by the time you splice a loop in each end. Nice fluoro Orange for the win

[Rossco]

Yeah old mate who I got the bar off made a 50mm receiver for trailers so will be perfect for mounting removable dildo when in the bush only. . See how we go with rope is actually 10mm tho but should do the trick hopefully. . Think last time out rope on got 40 m and chopped about 10 off to make extension but that was with standard diameter drum so deltatec get a bit more on. . Dildo 75mm think better choice than 50. .

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[Rossco]

Bloody Tassie probably explains TD not loving the heat & hills. .
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We did a great job on the radiator in the bush but still $1000 dollar mud to be found. . Think TDs need everything bang on to be happy on the scorchers. .

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[PeeBee]

Who would have thought that might not run to full performance - boys and their mud journeys!!

[Rossco]

Winch all back together not without a few dramas tho lol. . Could not get the motor out from top hat ended up drilling hole in feespool delete as that was equally impossible to get out (remember putting it in was so tight thinking this will never come out damitt). . . Anyways bit of belting on end of motor shaft out she came. . Spine that runs on bearing in freespool delete (winch gear) was flattened so explained why she wouldn't come out but unsure why the damage happened[emoji848].

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Anyways fixed spline good enough, taped hole and put bolt in and and happy days. Upgraded brake shaft in and looks good, everything so much more secure than the standard warn set up. .Put winch back in car worked all good till bloody noisy and realised put ratchet plate in backwards damitt. . . Fixed that then happy days[emoji106][emoji106]

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New rope & hook. .

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Removable dildo works a treat thought spotties might be an issue but think all good. .

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New improved delta tec clip thingy should hopefully be a bit more durable than before[emoji106]. . .

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[Rossco]

GQ back in the hills after a bit of a birthday party at the auto elec and workshop. . List of things fixed as follows. . . Had parasitic draw tracked down to faulty alternator which I need to chase up and replace as is brand new but at least know what it is. . Installed lift pump (Carter). Was thinking optima batteries both just over a year old were knackered but with new big earth strap is cranking of its head now so very happy[emoji106]. Pyro fixed ( needle was off chops all over the place). Fixed battery monitor not showing imput from redarc BCDC (neg wasn't going through shunt simple fix but needed fresh set of more professional eyes). Think that's about it in the auto elec department she's petty sorted now (apart from swap alternator) so ready to put in Redwinch supercharger soon. . . Picked up from there then dropped @YV4WD for new front wheel bearings, stub axles and uni joint in rear shaft bloody Tassie mud damitt. . Think she's about ready to enjoy now[emoji106][emoji106]

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[timbar]

looking good old mate its been a long project !!

[Rossco]

looking good old mate its been a long project !!Haha cheers mate yeah don't think it ever ends [emoji848] [emoji6] [emoji106]

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[Rossco]

So after last trip away ARB single compressor which is pretty old and done a heap of work gave up on life, luckily held on long enough to run lockers and winch freespool for a marathon winch halfway up Mt Selma. Decided to upgrade to Little one to run lockers and winch freespool and double for tyres. . Long time coming as usual but all installed now. .

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Old single was mounted in corner and as locker compressor nice and compact managed to move that to back of aux battery tray and fit in red winch supercharger in corner spot. . Fits prefect was meant to be lol. . .

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Looking back at this thread was a year ago got everything discontented from aux battery tray to hook up 24v . . Can't rush things I spose but close now lol.

Put double under front seat and fits a treat [emoji106]

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Used old fire extinguisher (cheers Daz) for air tank directly under it. .

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Got rid of most of the ARB loom and ran 6b&s through midi fuse from lithium in the back. Apart from that you can just switch the compressor from the purple wire going into it. .

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Gave it a little go and seems like it will be a beast. Certainly wouldn't want to run lockers off it if mounted in cab, she loud and also may double as a masage seat on those long and lonely trips [emoji106][emoji106]

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[mudnut]

I see you have the intake filter at floor level. I ran a hose under the carpet and door trims so I could mount the filter in the rear quarter panel trim card. It made it a hell of a lot quieter as the intake is so far from the piston. Now there is less chance of flooding the compressor.

[mudski]

Gave it a little go and seems like it will be a beast. Certainly wouldn't want to run lockers off it if mounted in cab, she loud and also may double as a masage seat on those long and lonely trips [emoji106][emoji106]

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I have my twin under the pax seat. Not that loud. Plus Catherine gets a kick out of the under seat vibes! Lol.


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[Hodge]

I have my twin under the pax seat. Not that loud. Plus Catherine gets a kick out of the under seat vibes! Lol.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI always wondered why you're inflating your tyres every time I've come around your place...
Makes sense now [emoji23].

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[Rossco]

Thats why the last one wore out [emoji1787] . . .

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[Winnie]

I need to put a compressor in the Mrs new car, I've been tempted to buy a twin ARB and put it in my Patrol, then take the single out of my Patrol for her MUX... hmmmm still thinking about it.

[MB]

It’s easier to ask forgiveness, than get permission for your well planned “Good Family Adventure GQ Upgrades”Chrisso Mate [emoji106][emoji106]
FWIW: ARB twins need at least their purchased outlet rubber/braided lines given within. Great things, crikey than can melt lines if attempting to get ingenious re-routing and nuffy stuff [emoji23]


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[Rossco]

I need to put a compressor in the Mrs new car, I've been tempted to buy a twin ARB and put it in my Patrol, then take the single out of my Patrol for her MUX... hmmmm still thinking about it.Sounds like a good plan, go for for gold I reckon[emoji106][emoji106]

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