i might add ill only use a snatch strap if i cant get it out with the winch
i might add ill only use a snatch strap if i cant get it out with the winch
HELL NO !!!!!!
I think he has flipped the video backward... Here the true story:Originally Posted by NissPat
lol
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AB (8th April 2011)
ROFL...haha
Well done mate, thats how the video actually went..haha
I'm in need of some recovery points next week for the new beast so i'm assuming to start fresh and do it right would a tow hitch hook be the way to go for the rear?
What about the front?
What is the best / safest system for the front?
Just an example pic below of what system I'm talking about
I am now getting Pi55ed off! I go to club and buy towbar fitting with Bow shackle especially for Snatch Recoveries, and am being told to avoid shackles all together. After it being said on here at earlier times and threads Rated Bow shacles ok in recovery. Have good Snatch strap and have only been advised to use one dampner although have heard to use two before. Recovery points, hooks are really confuseing me now!
No wonder people are getting killed?! We are getting to much conflicting advice on what's right and wrong in recoveries, between our clubs, training days, and forums, not to mention suppliers. Lets get a standard agreed to.
Last edited by Finly Owner; 8th April 2011 at 10:50 PM. Reason: spelling
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I know, I'm getting a little bit lost too mate but it does come down peoples own opinions, etc.
Timbo, IMHO I don't think there is any severe danger with a shackle whatsover, it would just be if the shackle broke then you have a deadly metal object coming towards the other vehicle. I have never seen a rated shackle break. Ive seen one bend but not ever break.
Finly Owner (8th April 2011)
ROFL... It's all good bro... There is no "right and everything else is wrong" answers. You avoid shackles "if you can"... If you can't, no bigee, just be aware that the risks have changed and the precautions you take may be different. EG if there are no shackles in a forward snatch I'll leave the bonnet down... if there are shackles thru no other choice I'll get it put up if it is a "heavy" snatch
There can be no "standard" cause as soon as you make one then something different will come up plus if you have a "standard" Darryl Dumbass will totally ignore any risk assessment, rig to the standard and wonder why it all went pearshaped
If you have to use shackles then use them.
If you can rig the snatch recovery without them then thats better.
If you have a hook use it, if you don't use the Hayman Reece pin.
If you get stuck will a rope or winch extension strap "assist" the vehicle out so a Snatch isn't needed?
If it is really boggged and all else fails or there is no winch or whatever then use a Snatchie but go carefully
If you don't like Bridles because you don't understand Sling Angle loads then don't use one
etc etc etc...
I teach the SES guys to stop, think, take a few deep breaths, then reject what you first thought of and think again and this time look at every resource (bit of kit) you have and choose/use what you have too to accomplish the job.
It is just a matter of looking at the risks and issues associated with the gear you rig up and take the appropriate precautions.
I don't possess Hooks either, I have a billet hitch (towbar adapter if you prefer) with a 4.3 tonne Bowie just like you. That stays there for attaching anything (IE rope, extension strap, snatch block, winch cable) but a Snatchie and when I need to snatch it comes out and I use the Pin
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Dolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish.
AB (9th April 2011)
Absolutely AB... (opinions that is)
I've not personally seen a rated shackle totally fail either. Mind you they wouldn't want to. With a design factor of 7 a 4.3 tonne jobbie shouldn't break short of 30 tonnes unless someone hacksawed 1/2 way thru it.
I have always been curious about torsional loading tho from a twisted strap trying to straighten itself. I'd reckon even if it halved the rating the Shackle should still hold up
Dolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish.
Growlers must be sitting back saying... "jeez, what have I started here"... ROFL
Now, who wants to start a thread on Bridles and Sling Angle Loading... surely we have a Rigger or a Craney on here somewhere
Dolphins are so smart that within a few weeks of captivity, they can train people to stand on the very edge of the pool and throw them fish.
HAHAHAHA Ive created a monster!! Which is exactly what it's all a out, get an open discussion going where everyone has input. In construction this is called a toolbox talk and it's where we can do a risk assessment and a Job Safety Analysis (JSA) or safe work method statement (SWMS). Basically assess all the risks and what can be done to minimise or mitigate the risk. Well done a good discussion by all bringing new ideas to the table.
IF YA DONT GET STUCK YA AINT TRYIN HARD ENOUGH........OR YA TOOK THE CHICKEN TRACK
WARNING: TOWBALLS USED WITH SNATCHSTRAPS DO KILL!!
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