Timbo's GU 4.2TD

Thought I better make a new thread since I'll have a new Patrol next week!

For those who don't know, I've bought a Troll from a member on these forums and I'm flying up to Brisbane to pick her up and cradle her home in my arms. :first:

I have a busy time ahead of me though. Here's a sneak peak of my weeks ahead;
Feb 17 - Fly to Bris with a mate, have a BBQ and some frothies with Dark1, Bigrig & co off NP forums! :bowdown: :cheers:
Feb 18 - Start driving home to Melbourne.
Feb 19 - Arrive back home, drool over car for rest of day. Sleep in car.
Feb 20 - Drive to work. Ask AB to make me coffee so I don't have to leave seat. Show AB car and drink coffee for hours.
Feb 21 - Patrol booked into TJM for factory suspension swap to pass road worthy.:thumbup:
Feb 22 - Patrol booked into mechanic for R.W.C :049:
Feb 23 - Sob quietly on the plane as I fly to Sydney with my GF. Looking out of the window and watching a montage of Me and the Troll and our time together so far...
Feb 27 - Call VicRoads, make appointment for registration transfer.
Feb XX - Goto VicRoads and do the paper work. Drive home with a stupid smile. :Yahoo!:
Feb XX - Back to TJM to get 4" lift put back in, or new 2" kit. Haven't decided.
Mar 01 - DIET! All I've done is stress and eat. Now 5 kg's heavier. An unecessary burden for my new truck to carry, but she will.. and she wont protest. This is how I know she is the one. :o

There's PLENTY of extras on this truck, but here's a few of the more 'juicy' additions;

• Denco turbo upgrade

• New strengthened 5 speed with new tuff clutch

• Recent complete front end overhaul

• New front & rear uni's

• 3 inch straight thru exhaust

• Twin long range automotive long range tanks 225 ltrs total

• TJM 12000lb winch with isolator kill switch

• Dual batteries with in cab monitor

• 4" lift tjm gold edition

• Pioneer double din dvd/stereo with kicker amp & speakers & ipod direct control

• Outback rear draws with cargo barrier & centre divider

• Nasa bm1 battery monitor

• Outback roof console

• HID headlight upgrade

• Alloys 16 x 8 & 285/75 Maxxis Bighorns

• 189 000klms

...and the list goes on.


Some of my future plans are;

• Intercooler + Boost

• TJM Prolockers

• Steel Sidesteps

• Updated rear tail lights

• Steel Rear Bar

In no particular order or hurry. Although, I'd like to sort out the Intercooler & Boost first. :)

Planning on keeping this Patrol for many years and look forward to treating it right just as the previous owner did. I'm going to sell the mighty 2.8TD soon after I give her a scrub up and hopefully can use some of that money to spend on the new one!

I'll get more pics next week when I take over the reigns, but for now I'll just attach a few pics of what it looks like now as placeholders!

lucky bugga
the rig looks fanflammintastic mate

and dont forget piccies we luv piccies

I reckon you got jipped - looks crap!!!

LMFAO!!!!!

Awesome (repeated about 3 gazillion times)!!!!!!!!!

What a truck, what a success story, what a sob story (especially the montage bit out the window of the plane!! lol), what a list of extras, and what a list of things to come!!!

Dead set hard not to be envious mate - beautiful rig, and you've scored many, many years of happy motoring to come I reckon!!!

Happy as a pig in poop I bet ;-)

Yer rub it in Tim...hahahaha top looking beast mate, well done.
Love the list of extras tooooooo.
Should keep ya going for a while mate. We need some new pics up now DIRTY

Well done Timbo, can't wait to see this in the flesh...

Your dates are a bit mixed up sunshine if you plan on asking me for a coffee...Goes more like this....lol

Feb 17 - Fly to Bris with a mate, have a BBQ and some frothies with Dark1, Bigrig & co off NP forums! :bowdown: :cheers:
Feb 18 - Start driving home to Melbourne.
Feb 19 - Arrive back home, drool over car for rest of day. Sleep in car.
Feb 20 - Drive to work. Ask AB to make me coffee
Feb21 - AB fires Timbo
Feb22 - Timbo forced to work on the back streets
Feb23 - Timbo sells Patrol to Ab for 10k
Feb24 - Timbo buys a pair of rollerskates to get to work!

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Originally Posted by AB

Well done Timbo, can't wait to see this in the flesh...

Your dates are a bit mixed up sunshine if you plan on asking me for a coffee...Goes more like this....lol

Feb 17 - Fly to Bris with a mate, have a BBQ and some frothies with Dark1, Bigrig & co off NP forums! :bowdown: :cheers:
Feb 18 - Start driving home to Melbourne.
Feb 19 - Arrive back home, drool over car for rest of day. Sleep in car.
Feb 20 - Drive to work. Ask AB to make me coffee
Feb21 - AB fires Timbo
Feb22 - Timbo forced to work on the back streets
Feb23 - Timbo sells Patrol to Ab for 10k
Feb24 - Timbo buys a pair of rollerskates to get to work!

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Would they be diesel powered roller skates?? If so, I see no reason for Timbo to be concerned!!! lmao

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Originally Posted by AB

Well done Timbo, can't wait to see this in the flesh...

Your dates are a bit mixed up sunshine if you plan on asking me for a coffee...Goes more like this....lol

Feb 17 - Fly to Bris with a mate, have a BBQ and some frothies with Dark1, Bigrig & co off NP forums! :bowdown: :cheers:
Feb 18 - Start driving home to Melbourne.
Feb 19 - Arrive back home, drool over car for rest of day. Sleep in car.
Feb 20 - Drive to work. Ask AB to make me coffee
Feb21 - AB fires Timbo
Feb22 - Timbo forced to work on the back streets
Feb23 - Timbo sells Patrol to Ab for 10k
Feb24 - Timbo buys a pair of rollerskates to get to work!

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LOL! The back streets!

always liked kels truck mate your one L. S. O. B WAS JUST A TAD OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE LOL quite a bit actually good luck with it timbo

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Originally Posted by timbo

lol! The back streets!

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you dont have to sell to ab mate
your welcome to leave it in my yard till its sorted

lol

haha thanks Roofy.. glad to know there's people willing to do that for me! ;)

Noworrys mate any time

Top stuff Timbo . always nice when you get the toy you've always wanted !

I love the montage bit ( only cause that's something I'd do) & if AB fires you I'll be happy to buy her back off you (at a reduced price of course, we couldn't let that ass get a deal like that) ........... Oops did I say that aloud , sorry andy. Lol lol lol lol lol

Great list mate reckon put the suspension back & see how you go. Also are you putting Lokas in the front only as the LSD rear is sweet as a button so don't see why you would lock the rear.

Good to see my loved car has found a new love & will be treated right I am very happy & hope you enjoy it as much as we have.


Tapatalking my around.

I'm all ass mate...lol

Ha ha ha I thought that might get your attention.


Tapatalking my around.

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Originally Posted by AB

I'm all ass mate...lol

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You're a what???

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Originally Posted by Dark 1

Also are you putting Lokas in the front only as the LSD rear is sweet as a button so don't see why you would lock the rear.

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Yeah mate, ProLocker in the front. The front seems to be the weak spot in terms of traction when climbing hills so that's where it'll go.

Had some beaut pics sent to me on my phone by Kel of the Patrol. Looks absolutely mint. Whenever I start to think about "I shouldn't be spending this money".. I see pics like this and I'm soon saying "Thank god I'm spending this money on a Patrol!"

Enjoy!

I love how the colour changes slightly. It appears to be a real Maroon colour at times but then in some angles where the light hit, it's a real deep cherry red. Hardly ever see this colour down in VIC on patrols. Usually on 80 series Cruisers.

Yeh mate she looks real nice when all cleaned up. We have about 2 other maroon patrols in town 1 -4.2 & a 2.8 I've always liked this colour would of loved to get the cruza that colour instead of boring old white.


Tapatalking my way around.

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Originally Posted by Dark 1

Yeh mate she looks real nice when all cleaned up. We have about 2 other maroon patrols in town 1 -4.2 & a 2.8 I've always liked this colour would of loved to get the cruza that colour instead of boring old white.

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RESPRAY! :D

I've said in other posts, I always wanted the Dark Green for my next Patrol. The more and more I look at the Maroon, the more the Green one looks a bit boring. The Green suits the Silver bar more I think being such a dark colour.. but red suits the black better and I prefer the black rather than silver.

There.. an overly long and confused way of saying the Red looks great.

Well when i ever get another one i'll be looking for the maroon or block red.

Well patrol is delivered to Tim safely & were both happy (Tim for buying a good truck & me for finding a good caretaker for truck.)
I seriously hope he enjoys the car as much as we have.


Tapatalking my way around.

Drive safe coming home Timbo.

Shame Kel, must have been heart wrenching saying goodbye to the old girl!!!

Good on ya's both. Take it easy driving back Timbo and then ENJOY!!!!!

Well back from QLD with the truck, and I'm off to Sydney with the missus for a 4 day holiday.

Patrol is at the mechanics at the moment getting a road worthy and some things fixed up so I can transfer it into my name on the 7th March.

Get this, the 33" Bighorns that are on the car are 4mm too high legally for a RWC! 4mm!! LOL??

My mechanic is a champ though.. it'll pass. ;)

Will get some pics up soon when I get a free minute.. life has been busy busy busy!

Great to hear mate ...

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Well back from QLD with the truck, and I'm off to Sydney with the missus for a 4 day holiday.

Patrol is at the mechanics at the moment getting a road worthy and some things fixed up so I can transfer it into my name on the 7th March.

Get this, the 33" Bighorns that are on the car are 4mm too high legally for a RWC! 4mm!! LOL??

My mechanic is a champ though.. it'll pass. ;)

Will get some pics up soon when I get a free minute.. life has been busy busy busy!

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Good to here mate. Bet ya cant wait to take it offroad.

4mm .....I'd say that's about an 6 minute burnout! Lol

Lucas

AAhhhh Timbo,

Nice one brotha, she lookes boody awsome. . . I can see why such a montage was deemed so appropriate. LOL! We'll have to take her out bush for a good old floggn' I have heard somewhere that the TD42 diesels are supposed to be a good engine. . . .

Haha thanks Rossco.. yeah will have to go out wheelin' soon. Just hanging out to get it VIC registered which is this Wednesday!

Well, been driving the truck around a fair bit. Loving it. Few things I'm going to sort out but just need the time! Haven't posted up any pics yet because I'm waiting to get it registered and also waiting to get a part for the gearbox which is annoying. When that happens, there will be pics! Many pics...

Dropped the truck off at Diesel Tec this morning (thanks to AB for pickups and drop offs) for a Dyno tune. I wanted to know exactly how late the boost is coming in and what torque it's making because it's very sluggish to drive. My 2.8TD Patrol is far more punchier around town at the moment. Not good enough! LOL!

Got a call from Diesel Tec about 2 hours later. He'd already had it on the Dyno and had some results for me.

It's making MAXIMUM boost at 3500rpm!!! WAY too late in the rev range. It's also only making 200nm torque at 2500rpm which is too little, too late.

Things that aren't helping;
Chunky Tyres (33" bighorns)
Diff Ratios (I can't think off hand what the factory ratios are.. but I guess that's 4.2 owners love the 2.8TD ratios so much. I was recommended 4.3's).
Turbo too large (It is a sizable Unit)

Also, the dyno shows that there is a bit of improvement to be made in the fuel settings down low. I told Andrew (Diesel Tec) to go ahead and work his magic. He said I may only get a 10% gain down low but he wasn't going to touch any settings for up high. I told him to go ahead anyway, despite minimal gains because I trust his tuning abilities above anyone else.

I got a price on a new Turbo, drive in & drive out price is $5500. Andrew is going to overlay a Dyno sheet of another 4.2TD over mine with the new turbo on it to show me the difference. When I get it, I'll post it up. The results sound pretty damn significant. Can't remember figures, but it's something like an extra 150nm torque lower in the rev range. Trying to get my head around the costs but I'm going to ask what exactly it entails. Would be good if I can sell the Denco on EBAY and get some money back. But anyway, the difference in power & response sounds pretty damn drastic and also a nice smooth power curve. Might be worth it. ;)

As I'm writing this, he just called me. Good news, he managed to get between 20-25% more power from the fuel settings down low. Hopefully this will make it a lot easier to drive around town. While I could get a new Turbo put on, I don't really want to spend that money right now. So we'll see how it goes.

Have the dyno sheets.. will scan tomorrow and post up.

20-25% is a huge improvement mate, I'd be stocked with that.....

Wish my dyno man could of got those figures, i may of still owned it then.

From the dyno sheets, it looks like $5500 will get about +40 rear wheel kilowatts and a bucketload of torque. It's almost too good to say no.

pic 1. Graph shows torque increases between 3 variables on the same vehicle.
RED line indicates standard turbo performance i think.. I can't quit remember.
BLUE line indicates new Garret BB Turbo with 285 tyres fitted.
YELLOW line indicates new Garret BB Turbo fitted with 265 tyres fitted.

I think this is really good info to drum into our heads. We go out into the bush and find something we can't do with our current tyre size. So we go out and buy bigger tyres but then complain the 4WD is slower, consumes more fuel etc. Well now we can see exactly how much power is actually lost through larger tyres!

pic 2. Same variables as above, but shows rear wheel Kilowatts increases rather than torque.

pic 3. This is my 4.2's torque reading. The blue line shows you before the dyno and the red line shows you after the tuning and fuel setting changes.

You can immediately see the difference made. Between 35 & 70KPH there's a real laziness in response. It then starts to ramp up and hit another trough before really ramping up in torque almost vertically. You can imagine how hard it was to drive when changing from 2nd gear into 3rd as that change is right between 65 & 70KPH, right in the flat spot where hardly any torque is being produced.

The red line shows a decent improvement, even though it's only around 20-25%. The torque curve is a lot smoother and gets to peak torque quicker, though not by much. This is due to diff ratios and the turbo itself I assume. A keen eye will also see that I've lost a little bit of peak torque. The number read 4nm of torque less. Considering the improvements made lower in the rev range, I'm not concerned. :D Needless to say, it's improved driving a lot. Although, a new Garret BB turbo looks very appealing. Just look above at those graphs!

pic 4. Not much of a difference here but then again, I didn't want an improvement in kilowatts at this stage. Torque is what gets you off the line and get's your 4WD moving after a gear change. A 2 rear wheel kilowatt difference in power is the total gain going by the figures. There is still a nice little improvement though as it's a lot smoother and the notable dip in the blue line is gone.

While the Patrol is a lot better to drive than it was, I am still seriously thinking about buying one of these Garret Turbos. It's a fair bit of cash upfront but the lasting results would be worth it. When you look at the first 2 graphs, the sheer amount of gain in both HP & Torque for towing and 4WD'ing is phenomenal and it doesn't have to stop there. Even more gains can be had if you then fit an intercooler which will allow you to dial in more boost. Without intercooling you're probably looking at 12-13psi, with intercooling.. well who knows. 18psi? 20psi? Would be awesome and expensive, lol.

You raise a good point about tyres and sizes Timbo . Is going to 265 's to see how it performs before you lash out on another turbo an option or are you happy with the 285 's that are on it and you want to stick with them ?

I'll definitely be sticking to 285's purely because it's a tourer / off roader. You really need a minimum of 33" or 285 sized tyres these days.

If I was just towing a camper on the black top, I'd be thinking of 265's!

With regard to tyre sizing your vehicle may not actually use more fuel with larger tyres. A mate and I compared 33's to 35's on a trip to gympie exactly same running gear same ratios the lot when we got to gympie me being on 33's the trip meter said i had travelled 20km further than he had so fuel consumption may not be a lot different just that your tyres arent doing as many revolutions so your trip meter is say less out of a tank. The power will be noticed as the larger diameter tyre has more leverage on the running gear hence needing more power to get them actually turning in turn robbing you of at the wheels hp

^^ Sounds like a good explanation to me! Cheers bud!