too dark a tinting on your windows warning

a lot of talk last week on this subject
there was a fella who owns on the run servos
has a $1.000.000 rolls phantom got pulled over for too dark a tinting
been on tv and all the radio chat stations with every one giving their opinion
police came on one and clarified the situation
as of january 2011 windows cant be less than 35% in all states and territories
so those of us who purchaced a patrol and it came from QLD and it is very dark
guess what you have to change it
mine has a reading of13%so down to scorpion tintingto get it looked at and clarify the situation
he said the same a the police
well booked it in for the 10th october to get done he gave me an apointment card
on the way home got pulled over by the police they went through the window situation with me
i explained what i had just done showed him the card
he then rang them to confirm
let me off the $250 fine and the canarie but have to go to police station tuesday to confirm
and they will check it out with their light meter
so we need to get it checked as they are red hot on this in S.A.

Cheers mate, I've always stuck to legal tint as was expecting something like this....have been waiting for 15 odd years though...lol
Thanks for the info mate

I've pulled this off the net for those who are still unsure on the new laws.

State Tinting Laws

Safe driving requires the driver to have the best possible vision of the road users. Any reduction in driver visibility particularly in poor light conditions will lead to a reduction in safety.

Tinted windows may reduce driver vision if not applied accordingly to state and territory regulations. Therefore it is desirable that the light transmittance of windows on a motor vehicle is not reduced below 35%*.

A tinted or opaque band across the top of the windscreen is permitted providing it is no lower than 10% of the height of the windscreen & is above the portion of the windscreen swept by the wipers. Tinted film must not be reflective or mirror like as it can dazzle other drivers by reflecting sunlight or headlight beams.
Vehicle with factory-tinted glass

Most new vehicles are fitted with tinted window glass. This tint is very light and glass may at first appear to be clear. To check, hold a piece of white paper on the opposite side of the glass. If it has a slight gray, green or brown colour when viewed through the glass, then the glass is tinted.

Special grades of film may be applied to factory tinted windows. When these films are applied to tinted glass, the combination of tints must still allow 35% visual light transmittance**.

This makes me mad... i dont believe there is a need to have laws on tinting windows. Just keep it to no tinting on windscreens and leave the rest alone.

Effen great wifeys Prado (sorry for swearing) has factory "privacy" tint, and it looks black. How do i check the percentage?? Does this law affect tint before Jan?? If so I'll be going back to the dealer and sqwakin BIG TIME

hmmmmmmmm now does this apply to all windows or do you think you maybe able to get away with just lightening the front 2..................... after all how can it be any different to driving a van!!!!!/??????

I'm a strong advocate for legal tint.

Have you ever tried looking out of a window with illegal tint with rain beaded (droplets of rain) on the glass - daytime and night time?
How many times have you seen it bucketing down and the driver's getting soaked because they have to put their window down because the window tint is too dark?

Even legal tint on a wet rainy night can be challenging!

Rant over. Case closed.

Take care out there.

Rossco

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Originally Posted by clunk71

hmmmmmmmm now does this apply to all windows or do you think you maybe able to get away with just lightening the front 2..................... after all how can it be any different to driving a van!!!!!/??????

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True! and come to think of it wifeys ride (no not me hahahahahahah) front windows arent as dark as the rear doors back

2 many rules, need to regain our rights

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Originally Posted by patch697

I've pulled this off the net for those who are still unsure on the new laws.

State Tinting Laws

Safe driving requires the driver to have the best possible vision of the road users. Any reduction in driver visibility particularly in poor light conditions will lead to a reduction in safety.

Tinted windows may reduce driver vision if not applied accordingly to state and territory regulations. Therefore it is desirable that the light transmittance of windows on a motor vehicle is not reduced below 35%*.

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blah blah blah, but yet i can have a pillar pod, dash pod, gps, mobile phone holder + many more gadgets that blocks my vision 2 some extent......, dare say they will probable make them all illegal 2.

90% percent of the time I'm 2 busy checking my speedo 2 make sure I'm not speeding than looking out on the road and whats going on around me, so lest ban speedo's 2 just as a safety concern

what a load of sh!t.



P.s: Paul, not having a go at you by any means, just my view

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

I'm a strong advocate for legal tint.

Have you ever tried looking out of a window with illegal tint with rain beaded (droplets of rain) on the glass - daytime and night time?
How many times have you seen it bucketing down and the driver's getting soaked because they have to put their window down because the window tint is too dark?

Even legal tint on a wet rainy night can be challenging!

Rant over. Case closed.

Take care out there.

Rossco

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Mine were done by the previous owner so will have to get them checked out for the legality of them, but they don't appear to be overly dark at night. So would you happen to knw the legal ramblings of it all????

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Originally Posted by clunk71

Mine were done by the previous owner so will have to get them checked out for the legality of them, but they don't appear to be overly dark at night. So would you happen to knw the legal ramblings of it all????

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Not really.

I suggest you go and see a vehicle examiner and ask the question. If I had access to a tint meter, I'd help you but I don't. lol

If you look on the State Law Publisher's website, then go into the Regulations currently in force, you might find the Vehicle Standards Regulations and it should help you in there.

www.slp.wa.gov.au

That's the best I can help you with.

Take care out there.

Rossco

some tint coy's put an identifying label somewhere on the window - if so, go and ask armed with that info

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Originally Posted by toddrhind

blah blah blah, but yet i can have a pillar pod, dash pod, gps, mobile phone holder + many more gadgets that blocks my vision 2 some extent......, dare say they will probable make them all illegal 2.

90% percent of the time I'm 2 busy checking my speedo 2 make sure I'm not speeding than looking out on the road and whats going on around me, so lest ban speedo's 2 just as a safety concern

what a load of sh!t.
P.s: Paul, not having a go at you by any means, just my view

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Todd, up here Mate, your GPS is not allowed to be placed in the perifieral vision(I think that's how it's spelt) as to bloke vision, they are suggesting placing off windscreen altogether. And BTW any modification that impair your vision is illegal if you ever get inspected by a Transport Officer. Pods are not meant to impair your vision, nor are mirrors.

Tim

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Originally Posted by Finly Owner

Todd, up here Mate, your GPS is not allowed to be placed in the perifieral vision(I think that's how it's spelt) as to bloke vision, they are suggesting placing off windscreen altogether. And BTW any modification that impair your vision is illegal if you ever get inspected by a Transport Officer. Pods are not meant to impair your vision, nor are mirrors.

Tim

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X2 - and spotlights top mounted on bullbars, and bonnet protrusions (yes, scoops included when aftermarket).

And I'm pretty sure they'll be banning those pesky little black sticks on the front of the windscreen that have those rubber bits attached to them ... you know the ones ... they go back and forth across the windshield when it rains and block your vision ... what are they called again??!! lmao

I'm actually an advocate for some of this - pods, gauges, gps's, etc I think are hard to include so long as they are dash mounted, as you'd have to be three feet tall for them to impair outward vision as such, but top mounted spotties, dark window tinting (which I have), stickers, etc that do impair vision are probably (I say "probably") worth a look into ... that all said, I still think it's all to over regulated and common sense 'should' prevail, but unlike the phrase (common sense) unfortunately it is not all that common, and subsequently we get stung with varying degrees of compliance/legislation that are put in place under the veil of "public safety".

I still a firm believer that if you want to enforce compliance, the ability for police and transport officers to assess vehicles on the fly, on the road, needs to be clarified and singular - that is, one range of policy nationally that is easy for road users AND compliance enforcement officers to understand, with appropriate on the spot fines for breach (when I say 'appropriate' I mean 'large' - if it affects the back pocket hard enough, most people would find they have some common sense after all ...). Lack of common sense, very generally speaking, is simply symptomatic of a system that allows too much interpretation.

Remove the interpretation, increase the penalty, and I'd bet my left one that you'd see a remarkable increase in 'self compliance' and so called common sense as people clearly know the limits, and clearly know the corresponding consequences. But I think we are so far away from something like this, that unfortunately poor old 'common sense' will continue to take the blame.

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Originally Posted by toddrhind

blah blah blah, but yet i can have a pillar pod, dash pod, gps, mobile phone holder + many more gadgets that blocks my vision 2 some extent......, dare say they will probable make them all illegal 2.

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Uuummmm... no you can't mate.

After market Pillar pods that block any part of the drivers vision - illegal.
Dash Pods (gauges or radios) that block any part of the drivers vision - illegal
Moble Phone Holder or Driver Aids (GPS etc) IF they block any part of the drivers vision - yep, illegal

You know that the smelly pine tree shaped deoderisers, fluffy dice etc you used to see almost everyone hang from their Mirrors - yep, illegal.

Not saying I agree or disagree just saying...

yeh Ok, might of went a little overboard in my bourbon rant *L*

but what defines blocking a drivers vision anyway?, I can install a head-up display (HUD) which in all fairness doesn't block my vision so 2 speak, but just like factory gauges..........still makes you take your eyes off the road and they are legal and on the windscreen.

Still a load of sh!t nether the less

another rant over :)

ROFL... don't i know THAT feeling...

Like many rules it is very subjective but loosely stated, if the offending object is...
wider than the A pillar, or
protrudes above the bonnet eyeline (certain specific exemptions for radio antenna's), or
is attached, even temporarily, to the windscreen in the field of view, or
hangs from the roof or mirror (other than an appropriate rear view mirror), or
is a tint, sticker or whatever that is more than 10% of the upper band, or
is in such a position that it may distract the driver even if it does not impede his view then it is a 'naughty'.

Obviously 99% of that gets totally ignored unless one tends to get obnoxious with Johnny Law when he wants you to blow on his chips...but tint, 'in ya face' 7 inch gauge pods and spotties or rod holders on top of Bull Bars have been known to get blitzed from time to time.

Personally I'd rather they come and park at any one of the sets of Traffic Lights I use going to work and book those total rrsewipes who run the Reds. They would get 2 or 3 every single light change over here and WA has the longest "yellow" of all the States. Then, maybe that encourages them rather than making it safer.

wait for the changing consistancy tint like that material they put on glasses, transistion lens stuff, no one could get done then, roads bright windows dark, road dark windows clear

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Originally Posted by Random

wait for the changing consistancy tint like that material they put on glasses, transistion lens stuff, no one could get done then, roads bright windows dark, road dark windows clear

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Now thats thinkin, probably too sensible for the law makers tho hahahaha

My Patrol came to me with very dark tint. I cannot stand it.

1. My rear defoster now works like it is covered by a blanket (a very bad thing when you live in Ukraine)
2. Many times I have had to open windows to see what is in my side view mirrors at night.

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Originally Posted by clunk71

hmmmmmmmm now does this apply to all windows or do you think you maybe able to get away with just lightening the front 2..................... after all how can it be any different to driving a van!!!!!/??????

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I think this is correct but you must have left door mirror fitted if not already.
we do this with trucks.

Steve.

In NSW, its routine during pink slip time for the assessor to get out the tint slide to confirm its OK. Also, there is rules about tinting of the front windscreen. Cant hit the wipers on operation and a rule about the height of tinting vs the height of the windscreen.

Does this mean that the flyscreen socks you put over your windows keepin the bugs out whilst the windows open are illegal also ?
I KNOW, in our case, these things do definately obscure my vision, and cause constant verbal exchanges with management on the issue. Window tint fitted is legal per W.A. requirements.
I do believe, fitters can be held legaly liable if fitting illegal tinting. So my fitter told us anyway.

ok here is my 2 cents worth...
i went to one of the window tinting guys here in cairns..
they said that the rear side windows of a wagon are ok to go heaps dark same with rear passenger windows,,,, BUT .... front driver and passenger windows have to be legal tint or factory tint only....
i had a car with dark windows in the front,, its mad. very hard to see out of so wont be doing that again..
i have a mesh stuff on my rear windows atm helps to keep prying eyes away ...

it seems the police in each state have different "views" on wot they will pull u for. juz before i sold my dual cab hilux i got pulled over comin home from wheelin on the beach, that particular day was about 38* in the shade so easily 40+ in the car. my windows were BLACK almost looked spray painted, funnily enuf tho he didnt pull me over for the tint but actually the rod holders of all things!! (his concern was that were fitted securely). he did ask about the tint tho an was happy with my response which was that we spend alot of time off road and bein that it gets bloody hot in wa thru summer it protects the kids from that direct sun light, he gave the rod holders another shake n told us to have a good one! either he was an offroader himself or wasnt really phased altogether as we both new the tint was well and truely to dark! i guess it also comes down to the attitude of the officer and the attitude u give them?

1 more thing lol, i spent alot of time in the pits during my younger yrs with my commodore which had every possibly gauge, light and aftermarket bit u could think of ALL ON A PERMIT and u can get most things permitted if ur smart. Gauges and things of that nature can be passed at the inspectors discression, so if there done neatly and arent over the top massive things then its fine. thats here in wa anyway...

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Originally Posted by Malgreen

ok here is my 2 cents worth...
i went to one of the window tinting guys here in cairns..
they said that the rear side windows of a wagon are ok to go heaps dark same with rear passenger windows,,,, BUT .... front driver and passenger windows have to be legal tint or factory tint only....
i had a car with dark windows in the front,, its mad. very hard to see out of so wont be doing that again..
i have a mesh stuff on my rear windows atm helps to keep prying eyes away ...

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Thats why you wont find window socks for front door windows anywhere and your tint guy in Cairns needs to update himself with the new rules. Windows rear of the drivers seat must not be less than 35% luminous transmittance except the Northern Territory which is 15%, window socks would be illegal now because of the impaired visibility ruling alone.
Here's the latest VSB14 from January 2011. Pages 24 & 25 cover window tinting
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa..._01Jan2011.pdf

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Originally Posted by Random

wait for the changing consistancy tint like that material they put on glasses, transistion lens stuff, no one could get done then, roads bright windows dark, road dark windows clear

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Many modern windscreens already do this.

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

Effen great wifeys Prado (sorry for swearing) has factory "privacy" tint, and it looks black. How do i check the percentage?? Does this law affect tint before Jan?? If so I'll be going back to the dealer and sqwakin BIG TIME

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The privacy tint shouldn't shouldn't be less than 35% on the front windows as the laws always been 35% for front door windows. If it is Toyota have failed big time!

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd.../0/VSI2web.pdf

What about the new Pajeros/Prados with dark tint and lighter on the front driver/passenger windows? Are they legal?
Mark