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17th November 2016, 10:21 PM
sooty_10

Definitely pick up a second hand engel or waeco fairly reasonably priced. I'm always on the lookout for a 60l engel for the right price in vic so they are a bit less common but a 40l usually pops up.

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18th November 2016, 07:46 PM
mudski

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Originally Posted by jay see

Thanks guys.

I've had an aldi 3 way for almost ten years and never had a problem with it works well.

I hear what you're saying Mark. I'm not in a huge rush so I will decide on exactly what size I want (1 mid-largish or 2 smallish)and be ready to pounce when and if one comes up.

With Xmas coming up I'll keep an eye on the sales and if it's good enough may consider what's available.

Had a quick look at draws+ slides.😢

John if you want to have a gander at my setup you are welcome to bud, just to help you with idea's and stuff... Yeah the drop down slide was exy but I tell you, so bloody good! And those Titan draws are just getting cheaper. All I need is a drop down table on the door and mine is done.
18th November 2016, 08:39 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by mudski

John if you want to have a gander at my setup you are welcome to bud, just to help you with idea's and stuff... Yeah the drop down slide was exy but I tell you, so bloody good! And those Titan draws are just getting cheaper. All I need is a drop down table on the door and mine is done.

Cheers Mark appreciate it.

We are spoiled for choice here.
Went into rays and anaconda today to have a look see and a bit of a play with their fridges. Have always walked right pass them, as I wasn't going to buy one.

Out of the Engel and the Waeco I like the Engel, really liked the way the seal sits and the overall look if it. Still would like to go and see the arb ones too.

From what I've read it does take a bit of playing around to get the balance right for frozen foods and fridge food. Then there's the dual zone ones....

The battery is going in the back and I don't really want to have it on top of the draws. I do want to do it once and I also want to do it properly, all within a reasonable budget.

Mark I've got a light work week next week, so I might pop over..
20th November 2016, 05:27 PM
mudski

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Originally Posted by jay see

Cheers Mark appreciate it.

We are spoiled for choice here.
Went into rays and anaconda today to have a look see and a bit of a play with their fridges. Have always walked right pass them, as I wasn't going to buy one.

Out of the Engel and the Waeco I like the Engel, really liked the way the seal sits and the overall look if it. Still would like to go and see the arb ones too.

From what I've read it does take a bit of playing around to get the balance right for frozen foods and fridge food. Then there's the dual zone ones....

The battery is going in the back and I don't really want to have it on top of the draws. I do want to do it once and I also want to do it properly, all within a reasonable budget.

Mark I've got a light work week next week, so I might pop over..

My 75L is a dual zone. Keeps frozen food frozen, we even keep icy poles in there. The ARB has just as wire separator. Best thing to do is keep all your frozen stuff together in one section and just the colds in another. The frozen food will stay frozen if the fridge is cold enough. I keep my ARB set at -3c. The beers 'wont freeze but they are super cold. The 75L Engel I usually make sure its sits at around neg 8c atleast.
Keep them full too. They work better. I use 2Ltr juice bottles frozen, to fill any voids in the fridge, then you have extra water if you ever need it too.
In my opinion, even a cheap fridge is still a lot of money, so I think its better to go second hand on a decent brand. Engel, Waeco, ARB etc etc.
Seen Weaco's latest? 95L, two actual separate fridges in one. That would be the perfect fridge for big trips. If you had the room.

You got my number mate. Give me a ring to T up a time.
21st November 2016, 08:59 AM
jay see

Titan draws for $369.
That plus the drop and it could be a goer.
How far do the draws go, is there room for a battery box behind the seat?

Alot if reading over the weekend re fridges and looks like that waeco has stepped up with the cfx range, where as Engel are now made in Thailand...
21st November 2016, 02:31 PM
mudski

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Originally Posted by jay see

Titan draws for $369.
That plus the drop and it could be a goer.
How far do the draws go, is there room for a battery box behind the seat?

Alot if reading over the weekend re fridges and looks like that waeco has stepped up with the cfx range, where as Engel are now made in Thailand...

Thats bloody cheap. I paid $700 last January.
You wont have any room for a battery behind the draws and rear seat. Theres just enough room for the barrier.

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21st November 2016, 02:36 PM
mudski

Waeco and Engel are both great fridges. It would be hard to choose but i cant really say much about the Waeco as ive never owned one, but i do hear they are good fridges.
I did read a write up on the two fridges somewhere. In a nut shell it said one had a better, more efficient compressor but the insulation wasn't as good as the other and vice versa. So it was pretty much a 50/50 split.

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21st November 2016, 03:42 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by mudski

Thats bloody cheap. I paid $700 last January.
You wont have any room for a battery behind the draws and rear seat. Theres just enough room for the barrier.

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Yeah that's my thinking. With around $1100 I'll have both the draws and drop slide. Won't be able to buy a draw set how I want with that kind of $$$.

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Originally Posted by mudski

Waeco and Engel are both great fridges. It would be hard to choose but i cant really say much about the Waeco as ive never owned one, but i do hear they are good fridges.
I did read a write up on the two fridges somewhere. In a nut shell it said one had a better, more efficient compressor but the insulation wasn't as good as the other and vice versa. So it was pretty much a 50/50 split.

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That's pretty much everything that I've read.
It going to be between the Engel 57l combi or the cfx65dz. Hopefully I can score one for $800 or less.
21st November 2016, 05:32 PM
Plasnart

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Originally Posted by mudski

My 75L is a dual zone. Keeps frozen food frozen, we even keep icy poles in there. The ARB has just as wire separator. Best thing to do is keep all your frozen stuff together in one section and just the colds in another. The frozen food will stay frozen if the fridge is cold enough. I keep my ARB set at -3c. The beers 'wont freeze but they are super cold. The 75L Engel I usually make sure its sits at around neg 8c atleast.
Keep them full too. They work better. I use 2Ltr juice bottles frozen, to fill any voids in the fridge, then you have extra water if you ever need it too.
In my opinion, even a cheap fridge is still a lot of money, so I think its better to go second hand on a decent brand. Engel, Waeco, ARB etc etc.
Seen Weaco's latest? 95L, two actual separate fridges in one. That would be the perfect fridge for big trips. If you had the room.

You got my number mate. Give me a ring to T up a time.

Agree you can have frozen and refrigerated items in the same compartment. Pre-freeze things you want frozen then when you load the fridge, set it at 0deg. The frozen stuff stays frozen but the stuff you only want cold doesn't freeze. Have packed 60 dinners (20 vac sealed flatpacks each feeding 3 guys) in my 40L engel for outback trips but takes forward preparation. I prefer this method and keeping fridge size smaller than buying a dual-zone fridge but that's just me.
21st November 2016, 05:35 PM
Plasnart

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Originally Posted by mudski

Waeco and Engel are both great fridges. It would be hard to choose but i cant really say much about the Waeco as ive never owned one, but i do hear they are good fridges.
I did read a write up on the two fridges somewhere. In a nut shell it said one had a better, more efficient compressor but the insulation wasn't as good as the other and vice versa. So it was pretty much a 50/50 split.

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haha typical 4x4 mag! Can't upset the advertisers, but can sit on the fence on nearly all comparos and never enlighten those who fork out for the magazine.
21st November 2016, 06:39 PM
Mike02Ti

Correct me if im wrong but dont both the Engel and Waeco both use a danfoss compressor now? Whereas before i think only Engel did

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21st November 2016, 07:07 PM
jay see

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21st November 2016, 07:09 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by Mike02Ti

Correct me if im wrong but dont both the Engel and Waeco both use a danfoss compressor now? Whereas before i think only Engel did

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Nah, mate.
No expert here, but being doing some (alot) reading and the Engel uses a sawafigi (Japan) and waeco used to use the danfoss, but now it's there own brand which is the danfoss assembled in China.
I think .
21st November 2016, 09:08 PM
mudski

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Originally Posted by jay see

Nah, mate.
No expert here, but being doing some (alot) reading and the Engel uses a sawafigi (Japan) and waeco used to use the danfoss, but now it's there own brand which is the danfoss assembled in China.
I think .

Yes correct. The Sawafuji is a piston type compressor and the danfoss in a, rotational type?, compressor. If thats what you call it. Without googling it I think thats the differences between the two. I will say, the ARB fridge is almost dead silent, all I can hear is the fan running, where as the Engel I can clearly hear the compressor.
22nd November 2016, 10:42 AM
BigRAWesty

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Originally Posted by mudski

Yes correct. The Sawafuji is a piston type compressor and the danfoss in a, rotational type?, compressor. If thats what you call it. Without googling it I think thats the differences between the two. I will say, the ARB fridge is almost dead silent, all I can hear is the fan running, where as the Engel I can clearly hear the compressor.

Both are piston style compressors.
I'm actually not sure if ac systems use anything but piston.
Similar to your car ac compressor.
It's an off set (slanted) disc that drives pistons to compress the air..

Come to think of it I think that's how deisel pumps work on our engines..

Your right about the 2 being on even par..
The weaco is silent as, but does use a little more power to drive the pump.
The Engle is a bit louder but a bit less current draw..

Those insulation covers help a lot imo..
Worth the little extra coin.
27th November 2016, 12:31 PM
jay see

Need some confirmation on installing the Albright solenoid.
There's different images online on how to install. One was like this.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/236.jpg
The other was with the yellow swapped over with the black.
Which way is correct.

Also the thin wire coming off the bottom of the winch motor, where dies that go.

Thanks in advance.
27th November 2016, 01:48 PM
jay see

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/237.jpg

This is exactly how I've wired it up and nothing...... What have I done wrong?

Electrical is not for me....
27th November 2016, 02:11 PM
Ben-e-boy

How have you wired your switch?
27th November 2016, 02:27 PM
jay see

Yes. Wired handheld
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/238.jpg
I cut off the original plugs and replaced with longer bladed ones.
Have tested and has power.
The twisted red wire is temporarily.
27th November 2016, 03:07 PM
Ben-e-boy

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Yes. Wired handheld
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/238.jpg
I cut off the original plugs and replaced with longer bladed ones.
Have tested and has power.
The twisted red wire is temporarily.

Why is there a temporary wire hanging off the earth.
This is how it should be wired. The pic you posted earlier with the power in and power out description on the coils is incorrect. Probably more misleading.

I dont understand why you have a temp cable hanging off the earth.

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27th November 2016, 03:30 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy

Why is there a temporary wire hanging off the earth.
This is how it should be wired. The pic you posted earlier with the power in and power out description on the coils is incorrect. Probably more misleading.

I dont understand why you have a temp cable hanging off the earth.

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The temp wire is to get power for the switch? That's what I got from the pic.
You say that the earlier pic is incorrect re power in/out. How why?
What is the right way?
If it all worked I was going to slice that temp wire into the black wire.
If someone local has wired one in a bit of a look see would help here. @sooty_10 can you share done light on this mate.

Edit.
Just noticed that you added a pic. I have seen this and will try to work it out using that.
Electrical is not for me, but I try.
Thanks @Ben-e-boy
27th November 2016, 03:56 PM
jay see

Where I'm stuck.
1.
3 wires coming out of the handheld. In, out and another
2..
Thin wire (earth I think) out if bottom if winch.

Might have to leave it for another day..
27th November 2016, 04:15 PM
lucus30

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Originally Posted by jay see

Where I'm stuck.
1.
3 wires coming out of the handheld. In, out and another
2..
Thin wire (earth I think) out if bottom if winch.

Might have to leave it for another day..

If you didn't live miles away I'd say I'd pop around and give you a hand

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27th November 2016, 04:17 PM
Ben-e-boy

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Originally Posted by jay see

Where I'm stuck.
1.
3 wires coming out of the handheld. In, out and another the "another" wire is power to the hand held switch
2..
Thin wire (earth I think) out if bottom if winch. that is earth. It is from the centre pin of the solenoid

Might have to leave it for another day..

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27th November 2016, 04:56 PM
jay see

The power wire I ran to the centre blade, but the pic shows a neg to battery?the two in/and go the the + on the, do the wires get split, two to the terminals and then to the + ?
Can that earth be mounted anywhere there's metal.

I'm confused, and frustrated...
And my head hurts.
27th November 2016, 05:02 PM
jay see

I'm going to join @Clunk at the happy thread.
27th November 2016, 05:24 PM
jay see

Thanks for the help @Ben-e-boy
27th November 2016, 05:56 PM
Ben-e-boy

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Originally Posted by jay see

The power wire I ran to the centre blade, but the pic shows a neg to battery? the two in/and go the the + on the, do the wires get split, two to the terminals and then to the +? where it 'splits' as you say is your hand held controller switch
Can that earth be mounted anywhere there's metal.you can mount the earth wire from the centre pin to the earth connection on the motor

I'm confused, and frustrated...
And my head hurts.

The diagram I posted is correct.
27th November 2016, 06:11 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy

The diagram I posted is correct.

Thanks I'm going to use that one when I get back to it. It's only a couple of wires and I really should be able to do this.
I've packed it up for today.
This weekend wasn't very productive.
Tried to complete 2 jobs neither were successful.

Oh well the porks looking good at least.
27th November 2016, 10:00 PM
sooty_10

John sorry haven't been much help. On Holidays and been out of phone reception camping..... I concur with ben-e-boys pic. The centre connector should be an earth connection. You can run the small earth wire on bottom of winch motor to any metal contact point anywhere or even run it to the middle solenoid connector then onto an earthing point from there, plenty of ways to skin that cat. The split in the power in/out in the diagram, as ben-e mentioned, is the in/out switch which you can mount in the dash somewhere for in-cab controls. I used a momentary double pole double throw (DPDT) toggle switch for mine. To wire it to your existing controller plug you need to figure out which wire in the plug corresponds. Eg. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/252.jpg

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27th November 2016, 10:56 PM
jay see

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Originally Posted by sooty_10

John sorry haven't been much help. On Holidays and been out of phone reception camping..... I concur with ben-e-boys pic. The centre connector should be an earth connection. You can run the small earth wire on bottom of winch motor to any metal contact point anywhere or even run it to the middle solenoid connector then onto an earthing point from there, plenty of ways to skin that cat. The split in the power in/out in the diagram, as ben-e mentioned, is the in/out switch which you can mount in the dash somewhere for in-cab controls. I used a momentary double pole double throw (DPDT) toggle switch for mine. To wire it to your existing controller plug you need to figure out which wire in the plug corresponds. Eg. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...016/11/252.jpg

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No apologies mate.
Holidays and camping lucky bugger.

I'll sort it out, one way or another.

Thanks for the info, will take it onboard.
28th November 2016, 02:33 PM
mudski

Please pardon my ignorance as like John, electricals are not my strong point.
Whats the advantage of this Albright solendoid? What can it do over say the solenoid thats on my current winch?.

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28th November 2016, 03:57 PM
sooty_10

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Originally Posted by mudski

Please pardon my ignorance as like John, electricals are not my strong point.
Whats the advantage of this Albright solendoid? What can it do over say the solenoid thats on my current winch?.

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Depends on the solenoids you currently have. The albright are a great sealed low maintenance solenoid that is reliable. The old style warn 4 solenoid pack in mine were unreliable and it needed 2 for in and 2 for out. Only required 1 solenoid to be on the fritz and it was done. They were expensive to replace as well so upgrading to a newer style solenoid made sense.

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29th November 2016, 01:51 AM
Ben-e-boy

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Originally Posted by mudski

Please pardon my ignorance as like John, electricals are not my strong point.
Whats the advantage of this Albright solendoid? What can it do over say the solenoid thats on my current winch?.

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They are a solid state relay, they have no moving parts to fail, no contacts to pit or burn out. The down side to SSR's is they don't 'play up' as such. They work and then they don't.
29th November 2016, 07:34 AM
mudski

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Originally Posted by sooty_10

Depends on the solenoids you currently have. The albright are a great sealed low maintenance solenoid that is reliable. The old style warn 4 solenoid pack in mine were unreliable and it needed 2 for in and 2 for out. Only required 1 solenoid to be on the fritz and it was done. They were expensive to replace as well so upgrading to a newer style solenoid made sense.

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Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy

They are a solid state relay, they have no moving parts to fail, no contacts to pit or burn out. The down side to SSR's is they don't 'play up' as such. They work and then they don't.

Thanks. Makes more sense now. So no use in me putting one on my winch since theres nothing wrong with what I have. Apart from severe lack of use this year.
29th November 2016, 08:42 PM
sooty_10

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Originally Posted by mudski

Thanks. Makes more sense now. So no use in me putting one on my winch since theres nothing wrong with what I have. Apart from severe lack of use this year.

As long as you run your winch in and out occasionally and give it a once over or inspection once in a while to ensure it is all kosher for when you actually need it, all will be good.

Nothing worse then thinking ahh it should work and then actually get stuck and it doesn't or has issues. I usually go into the bush just behind my place and wind the rope out to a tree and then winch the truck up a small incline re-tensioning neatly the rope after each use or every couple of months. I got caught out a few times with the dodgy solenoids before so am a bit paranoid now. Haha

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30th November 2016, 09:47 AM
jay see

There's some things I can do, some things I can't and then there's the ones if I fark up it's going to cost me time and money. I know my limits.

The light bulb came on re: the solenoid and I think the problem was, I was looking at Ben's pic wanting to wire it up to my handheld controller, not a separate switch as in that pic... I think.. Anyway sorted now.

The patrols in getting some goodies fitted and I got them to wire it up. Saves me blowing up a perfectly good solenoid or anything else for that matter.

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Originally Posted by mudski

Apart from severe lack of use this year.

May be able to get away for a few hours next weekend anyone keen?

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Originally Posted by sooty_10

I got caught out a few times with the dodgy solenoids before

Almost like me at Cobaw..
30th November 2016, 02:23 PM
mudski

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Originally Posted by jay see

May be able to get away for a few hours next weekend anyone keen?

..

Depends on if our house sells this Saturday and we have bought another before then.

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30th November 2016, 03:06 PM
jay see

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Depends on if our house sells this Saturday and we have bought another before then.

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Of course it will.

Good luck.
30th November 2016, 03:29 PM
threedogs

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Originally Posted by mudski

Thanks. Makes more sense now. So no use in me putting one on my winch since theres nothing wrong with what I have. Apart from severe lack of use this year.

sounds more water friendly as well, a good upgrade imo
What brand winch do you run??

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