And 21 pages later we fell for it,,,,,,,,possible
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And 21 pages later we fell for it,,,,,,,,possible
If they do td I hope Mr Paul mogan has taken notes of the whole f up and takes the scum down for damages and deprivation againt the show..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Looking forward to the rest of this story, made a good read over a wine or 3.
If they have indeed done this as a PR stunt because they thought they were too good to be left out, then they are total pelicans. :animierte-smilies-f
On the cheap vs quality issue, been flicking through the copies of their mag I have lying around (yes I will admit I still get it from time to time for the DIY) & funnily enough on all the "tough" rigs etc they show I cannot see any of their gear, nor is it mentioned in the specs :confused:
yeah probably the only reason they could make up to get out of it all with a scrap of dignity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westy's Accessories
I haven't fallen for anything. I, (like most people on here I imagine) haven't changed my mind regarding their products or serviceQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
FanTapstic!
What rubbish.Quote:
G'day everyone, Brenno here. Geez, hasn't this matter about Tigerz11 and Roo Systems at the Melbourne Show blown up quickly! A couple of days out in the scrub and you come back to this topic going crazy. So, my please accept apologies for the delay, but here's some clarification, as has been requested.
It all started with Christian from Roo Systems being given the run-around by Paul Morgan the promoter of the show, while trying to book a stand. Numerous un-returned phone calls and emails, long delays between any sort of communication and when contact is finally made, the answer is 'we're all booked out'. That didn't sound right, so more calls were made, messages left and finally a week later came the reply we'd half been expecting. "Some influential players in the industry have said if you are there, they won't be". Half expected, but still pretty rough.
No-one likes playing the 'he said, she said' game, because all it ends up sounding like, is a couple of spoilt little kids arguing over who broke the vase. But let me put it this way. From an external viewpoint, I can't see any reason or benefit to Roo Systems and Tigerz11 making all this up. Seriously, what have they got to gain from not going to a 4WD show? Missing out on the ability to sell products to 4WDers who are actively looking to buy gear for their 4WDs? Doesn't sound like a good business plan to me, especially since both Glenn and Paul have said that they've been wrapt with the response they've got from previous shows – this year's Brisbane show in particular, with the Adelaide show already booked for later this year. It also doesn't sound like a very good stunt to me. Stunts generally have a purpose, and it's usually not to disadvantage yourself!
On the other hand, you've got a show promoter who personally admits to being leaned on heavily by people who spend a lot of money with him, 'some influential players in the industry' (his words!). The Tigerz and Roo displays have always been small bikkies compared to what some of the other stands are worth to the promoter, which seems to be the reason why they responded the way they did.
4WD shows are a way for companies to directly interact with their customers, and offer seriously good deals that they couldn't offer at any other time, because they had a truck full of gear out the back ready to be taken home that day, the old 'cash and carry' idea. That's why you pay an admission fee to go and look at gear to buy, because the idea was always that you would easily make that admission fee back in savings! That's what I find the most frustrating out of all of this - that is EXACTLY what Roo and Tigerz are offering, sensational deals, the ability to pick the gear up and take it home that day, and for all of this they're being punished.
Look, I'm not asking that you believe what I say without question. I just want you to make up your own mind. 4WDers aren't idiots, we're regular everyday people who - in my experience -- have a pretty good nose for detecting when something stinks. Consider both sides of the story, consider who has the most to gain from all of this and always remember that people tell their own versions of events to suit their own purposes.
Take all these politics out of the matter for a moment, because I really think we're all forgetting the big picture. 4WDing is about spending time in the bush, finding that perfect campsite, sitting around a campfire with mates and the tracks you drove to get there. Who cares what brand of winch you have? All that matters is you've got one, and you get it dirty!
Really, who is telling us the while truth.
None of them, I bet.
a Balanced debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Morgan Melbourne 4x4 Show Co-Ordinator
The Leeches are Loosing!
Nah I'm not buying that wouldn't you book 2 maybe three years in advance not 3 to 4 months out and expect a premium site.
Regardless where its held you would book for the following year well in advance. If it sounds suss chances are it is.
3D they would have been asked to book for next year when the 2012 show finished. It's the same for anything, trade show, kennels at Christmas. If I don't book the kennel at Christmas for the next year we miss out. Simple as that. EMG would know that too....
Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....
I can understand how cheap crap made in China is "Un Australian", but how is a company that is Australia based employing Australians and using Australian materials "Un Australian".
Me thinks Roothy (formerly know as Westy in motorcycle mag days), would, if he where a "true" Australian, use his real name, and not hide behind the Roothy nom de plume. Then again when you're on a big contract you'll do and say whatever your employer wants from you I suppose.
Am I being too cynical?
Real name John Rooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimE
Think he may have called himself John West when editor for 'Live to Ride' mag.
Has been involved with many mags, I remember him in 'Two Wheels' (where he wrote well & called himself 'Roothy'/John Rooth').
Have seen him in recent times in Caravan & motorhome mags.
Reputed to be a member of the Rebels MC club.
His 'resume' ....... http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-root...b9a?_mSplash=1
Cuppa
And on 4 x 4 Australia facebook site -https://www.facebook.com/4X4Aus
It keeps going
@ Cuppa I rode in a "BIKE GANG for use of a better term , The young buck across the road buys a Harley can't ride for nuts and Already a member of the "Rebels"
Go Figure. Gee I miss my bike days
HA in America are having trouble with young members riding skateboards and baseball caps!!!
As requested via Pm you will find the response by 4wdaction, I was bit late on the request and just got home to the bigger computer and noticed the PM from 10:40am
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/vi...43312&start=60
From Glenn Wright:
Quote:
Hi Everyone,
I want to share with you the latest correspondence I have sent him so you can see the facts and why Tigerz11 and Roo Systems were banned from the Melbourne 4x4 show.
Here is the letter I sent Paul Morgan the show organiser.
I believe the facts speak for themselves.
Paul,
In the interests of not being loose with the truth, and keeping the industry and the public informed, the only person back-pedalling is you.
The facts are:
1. Tigerz11 and Roo Systems wanted to book space for Melbourne, and did so in time. There has never been an issue with us booking stands in previous years, yet this time we had a very different response from you.
2. Tigerz11 asked if inside space was available, but would have accepted outside space.
Christian Rolfe from the Tigerz11 marketing team initially emailed you to ask for space indoors. Your response is attached here.
Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 1:58 PM
To: 'Christian Rolfe'
Subject: RE: Melbourne 4x4 Show - Tigerz11
Hi Christian,
Thanks for your email.
At this point in time I don’t have anything available, but will be in contact if something comes up.
Kind regards,
Paul Morgan
Exhibitions and Trade Fairs Pty Ltd
3. I then rang you to ask if we could book space outdoors, which you also refused.
You didn’t return my calls. After waiting several days for a response, I found this unusual so I asked Ben Sexton from Roo Systems to call you and see if he could get onto you. In your phone call with him in early April, you said that there was an issue with Roo Systems having a stand at the Melbourne show and that you were catching a taxi at the airport and couldn’t talk now but would explain it later. Not understanding why there would be an “issue” with Roo Systems stand at the show, because there never has been in previous years I then tried to call you and didn’t get hold of you.
I finally got hold of you the Friday of the same week on the phone. I asked could Tigerz and Roo have a stand outside as there was no space inside available. You told me that you would have to still see what’s available. I then said “Paul, something smells very wrong here”, what is the issue with Tigerz and Roo exhibiting at the show. You said “some influential people in the 4WD industry don’t want Tigerz11 and Roo Systems at the Melbourne 4x4 show”. I then explained that it isn’t fair not to allow us to exhibit because of pressure from other exhibitors.
Our parting words in that discussion were that if you didn’t get back to me with a reason as to why we couldn’t exhibit by close of business that day, I would discuss with the ACCC.
You told me that it was your show and you had the right to choose who does and doesn’t exhibit.
Why would you say that if you weren’t refusing us the chance to exhibit?
You then said, “I won’t be getting back to you by close of business” and hung up.
I did not hear from you again.
4. We know we could have taken legal action, or have gone to the ACCC, but decided to go to the court of public opinion
5. We noticed that yesterday morning on our forum you said you could not comment due to pending legal action, yet on the same day you were happy to comment in a libellous, misleading and untruthful manner
6. The many honourable and respected 4WD industry people deserved better than having a cloud hang over the show. They are paying you good money, expecting the crowd to come and see their products. Some would have come to see Roothy. Instead, you have banned Tigerz11 and Roo Systems, therefore, Roothy will not show.
It is unfortunate that you have chosen to take the path you have by not allowing Tigerz11 and Roo Systems to attend the show. Tigerz11 and Roo Systems just want to let all 4WDers have access to fair priced products. When we were not allowed by you to exhibit at the Melbourne 4x4 show we were forced to look for other alternatives. What message would it send to 4WDers if Tigerz11 and Roo Systems didn’t attend the Melbourne 4x4 show without giving a reason?
Your decision not to let Tigerz and Roo Systems exhibit at the show gave us no option.
Tigerz11 and Roo Systems still plan to attend as many shows as possible.
Why would we choose to only miss the Melbourne show after having stands at the Brisbane show in March and already committing to attending the 3 shows in Perth, Sydney and Adelaide later this year organised by your competitor.
We note in your email mailout yesterday that space is still unsold for the Melbourne show (approximately 20% unsold). This proves that we weren’t excluded from this show because we missed any deadlines or that there was no room left for us.
Here is an extract from the email you sent yesterday 7/5/13.
Just over 20 per cent of floor space remains for the August 23-25 event at the Melbourne Showgrounds, with the early interest and strong demand resulting in organisers adding an additional hall to the Show footprint, bringing it to over 50,000 square metres for the first time ever.
You simply chose not to let us attend.
I have been proudly involved in the 4WD Industry and with your shows for many years and you should be ashamed of your treatment of Tigerz11 and Roo Systems.
How you can hold your head high after the blatant untruths in your public response surprises me.
Your story simply does not make sense.
You know this is the truth Paul, you are the one who has to live with your conscience, my conscience is clear.
Sincerely,
Glenn Wright
Director of Marketing
Roo Systems and Tigerz11
Ze plot thickens....
I dunno.. why are they taking so long to reply with these instalments? Its like there writing the script?
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
I don't think I care enough about this issue to have an opinion. Not a fan of the Melbourne 4x4 show and not a fan of 4WD Action and their companies.
They could hire a bingo hall and flog their wares like a gun show!
Maybe squeezing reply time in between work time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Westy's Accessories
For me, I have two tigerz products and they work well, BUT I have seen a lot of anecdotal evidence that their gear cam be hit or miss.
I like the 4wd action DVD's, the mags are an ok dunny read.
If they are telling porkie pies about the show organisers being shady it sucks and I wont renew my subscription.
Anyone with an ounce of cop on can tell the shill articles from the good ones.
If it turns out that the organiser folded to pressure from the "old familia", it sucks and they should be held to account.
It's just all a bit sad really, they should wrassle and sort it out like men. There isnt a problem in this world that cant be solved by wrasslin.
never been to any 4wd show but i agree with the second part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
I smelllllllla what you're cooking Irish :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish
In my opinion there is something suss about roothy anyway, has anyone noticed he has a "rebels Australia" sticker in "milo", it is on the dash on the right hand side half covered by his temp or vault gauge, I can't remember which?
I don't care about people being bikies but I don't agree with it being advertised(although it is only advertised to those who know the logo) and if he is not tied up with the club he is close enough to have their sticker which I believe would normally only be allowed by a member.
Scotty
Mate, you can get supporter stickers etc from their house showsQuote:
Originally Posted by rottodiver
I've been to 3 shows, first was the Vic 4x4 show 2012 which was awesome, so many specials there, you could really get some great bargains. Then I went to the Melbourne 4x4 show 2012 which I did not enjoy at all. Venue was no good and it seemed to be more focused on fishing and boating that 4WDing (maybe I was at the wrong show?) Then went to the Vic 4x4 show again this year and it was nothing like last year.... don't know if I will bother with them any more, especially with all this crap going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
The exhibitor list -
http://www.4x4show.com.au/melbourne/exhibitor-list/
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/vi...3312&start=120
Link to a reply from the owner on EMG
From understanding he dose not own a 4x4 and use these products
They use the word quality too much. Unfortunately with tigerz cheap and quality dont go togther.
12 magazines and a winch for free come on..Really,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL
There was a comment on 4wda forum saying that $10 is a bit steep for the mags now that they are %46 (yes this was worked out) adds now. To which the editor Brendan replied that for all the effort that goes into them and the DVDs $10 was a good price and that's as cheap as they can do them. A few pages on he mentions that the last issue sold 55,000 copies. Do the maths! $550,000 in one month!, for one magazine!
FanTapstic!
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2013/05/76.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by nissannewby
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
That's just for the magazine not including what they are making of tigerz and roo and whoever else EMG own.
They should just be honest and retail it out as a product magazine, with an odd DIY article and DVD.Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
This could be a book you know.. "tails of the 4x4 world", an insite of how to screw over a country..
Ay Roothy.. don't steal my idea...
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
I wouldn't give em $5.50 fer a UTE load, bum paper!!Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
Cheers, the ferret.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2013/05/77.jpg
Should I slap it on there fb page?
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Yes. See how long it lasts. Only needs an Aussie made sticker on it.
Done.. I placed it around so it should spread pretty quick..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy
Yeah, Gq drivers. Stop it!
Pic is up on fb...
Under 'posts by others'