Weight Loss Fund Raiser CHAT THREAD

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Originally Posted by Bob

Hey Bigrig can you PM the details of how to pay the Sponsorship. I will pay now and if you dont make the Cut I will work out some retribution LOL

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Will do mate - I'll jump on the laptop and organise the details etc - you'll need to hold the payment though till Canteen give me the PayPal or EFT details.

Thanks again for your support mate!!

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Originally Posted by clunk71

hahahahahaha stop it , I've just got over one coughing fit, don't want another roflmao

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Sorry boss!!! LOL!! but it was there for the taking!!!

Righto

I'll post up a new thread later tonight with the names of those involved, target weight loss provided so far, etc, etc - I'll keep a separate spreadsheet so if you don't want to put up your weight, PM it to me and I'll keep it discrete and only note the actual loss of weight on the forum each week.

Generally speaking, if you don't take in a lot of water now (at least two litres per day, but more if using heavy protein shakes etc), then you'll find you shed a large amount in the first week as your body adapts to receiving water and hence doesn't retain fluid - most people lose most weight in the first week or two due to this and not metabolism of fat. My point being, don't be hard on yourself if you lose 4kgs in the first week, and then find you're only losing 1kg a week after that - it's normal and quick weight loss is not only bad for you, but you stand the very real prospect of putting it straight back on again as all you have done is shock the body without building a habit. 1-2kg's per week is heaps and you should certainly not expect to maintain this - as said, it's not healthy and sets unrealistic targets that you may fail to achieve and subsequently lose faith in the process.

I'm not a doctor, I have done extensive nutritional training though, but am not a nutritionist, and as every persons physiological makeup is different, as well as how you metabolize fats, proteins, sugars etc, so what works for you, does not necessarily mean it will work for others and vice versa. All I would say is to attempt to reduce as many sugars (not complex carbs that are low GI and break down slower and keep you full for longer) and every gram of fibre offsets carbohydrate sugars (basically) - that is, if something says 8 grams of sugars and 3 grams of fibre, the fibre offsets the carbs, and hence it is said to be a 5 gram intake of carbs, no fibre ... with me??

If you're going protein diets/shakes, then ensure as said you increase your water intake as your liver and kidneys will be screaming as your body starts to burn protein instead of fat and glycogen (glycogen stores in your liver) - I would suggest not replacing all meals and ensure you don't overload in meat as a protein source - you are taking in protein which is good, but also animal fats which are saturated and will shoot your good cholesterol through the roof. White foods should be avoided like rice, white bread, potato, pasta etc - avoid pumpkin and sweet potato also - high in starch which is sugar. Don't remove bread altogether though as you want grains, try to get low GI multigrain - if not, buy some brazil nuts (the best of the nuts for low fats, low sugars, and high protein), sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, etc.

Fruit is obviously going to be high on the agenda, but again full of sugars (natural yes, but if you aren't doing enough exercise to burn them off, your body will convert it to fat stores over about a 24-48 period as an easy source of energy and you are back to square one). Try not to take fruit in after about 3pm also - most (not all, we all different remember) people have their peak natural metabolic rate (not one induced through activity) in the middle of the day/early afternoon, so this is where you need to slow down the rate of intake.

Vegetables are also not just open slather - some are higher in naturally occurring carbohydrates. Ones to avoid are carrots, peas, beetroot, corn, squash, parsnip. Most others are rock solid and you should look to have two serves of green vegetables per day - mushrooms are especially good, high in protein, super low in carbs.

Grazing through the day is ideal - less than fist sized portions (in total) five or six times a day - this will (no matter who you are) force your body to recognize there is no need for food storage as it were as it is constantly being fed - no storage, means no love handles. The only problem with this is our lifestyles which often don't permit us to stop when we want and eat, or to have access to the right types of food when we are on the go.

Celery sticks are our friend. You can put some low fat Philadelphia cream spread on it for flavor/texture if you need. Being high in fibrous cellulose, celery actually provides the body less nutritional value than what it takes the body to burn it off, and hence weightloss. Don't go silly with the spread though.

I would strongly suggest you take a well known multi-vitamin daily as well as fish oil/omega3 to keep the heart healthy and the brain ticking over - the brain is made up of a large amount of omega3, and no point in dieting only to starve the brain also.

For those of you going on low carb shakes, diets etc, please be ultra careful - after about 3 to 4 days your bodies natural blood glucose levels will drop and hypoglycemia is a real threat. Symptoms such as cramps, headaches, irritability, etc can be definite signs, and if not addressed, it can get worse from there to such things as organ failure etc, so don't dismiss it (yes, this is the extreme end of it, but don't discount it). If you do think you are progressing well, but start feeling "just not right" then stop the program you are on - take in something high in carbohydrates such as a couple of pieces of white bread (nearly the entire daily recommended intake of simple sugars in this alone!!!) and if you feel better after a short period - real short, it happens quick, no more than an hour or so - then more than likely you were suffering this. Re-assess your program to substitute some fruit in instead of one of the protein meals to increase your blood glucose back to near normal - it generally won't mean you'll stop losing weight and you'll be better off for it.

Irrespective of the program you are intending, lifestyle is to remembered at all times - if you know you won't be able to sustain a healthy lifestyle applying a similar eating regime etc when you finish your program, then possibly re-assess it. No point drinking shakes, exercising more than normal, stopping drinking, removing carbs etc if you can't continue this in a healthy fashion once the program completes. You're setting yourself up for failure by more than likely putting the weight back on when you resume your normal lifestyle.

I had to do nutritional courses etc when I played professionally, but as said, I am not a nutritionist. If you are in doubt, please go see one and certainly see your doctor some stage early in the piece to ensure your insides are benefiting just as much as your outsides!!! I do have some knowledge in the space though and a range of reference material for various sorts of diet types.

If you've got any questions, queries, concerns or otherwise, please don't hesitate to let me know and use the group as a means of support - it is not easy, if it was, we'd all be our ideal weight all of the time!

Hopefully this all makes sense and certainly I hope it will assist. The very best of luck to you all in achieving your goal and here's to raising some dollars for a very worthwhile cause!!!

nice one littlus biggus

I am in.

How do you know or find out what weight you should be?

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Originally Posted by Yendor

I am in.

How do you know or find out what weight you should be?

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My missus went online and googled body mass indicator calculator or similar and what a nasty shock it was. As biggus said earlier tho that is somewhat unrealistic

Good luck to all for their weigh in tomorrow. Go the Roofy's !!

for my weight i should be about 7' 6"

count me in! I havent been around much recently - but will try make an effort to keep the updates happening :)

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

Righto

I'll post up a new thread later tonight with the names of those involved, target weight loss provided so far, etc, etc - I'll keep a separate spreadsheet so if you don't want to put up your weight, PM it to me and I'll keep it discrete and only note the actual loss of weight on the forum each week.

Generally speaking, if you don't take in a lot of water now (at least two litres per day, but more if using heavy protein shakes etc), then you'll find you shed a large amount in the first week as your body adapts to receiving water and hence doesn't retain fluid - most people lose most weight in the first week or two due to this and not metabolism of fat. My point being, don't be hard on yourself if you lose 4kgs in the first week, and then find you're only losing 1kg a week after that - it's normal and quick weight loss is not only bad for you, but you stand the very real prospect of putting it straight back on again as all you have done is shock the body without building a habit. 1-2kg's per week is heaps and you should certainly not expect to maintain this - as said, it's not healthy and sets unrealistic targets that you may fail to achieve and subsequently lose faith in the process.

I'm not a doctor, I have done extensive nutritional training though, but am not a nutritionist, and as every persons physiological makeup is different, as well as how you metabolize fats, proteins, sugars etc, so what works for you, does not necessarily mean it will work for others and vice versa. All I would say is to attempt to reduce as many sugars (not complex carbs that are low GI and break down slower and keep you full for longer) and every gram of fibre offsets carbohydrate sugars (basically) - that is, if something says 8 grams of sugars and 3 grams of fibre, the fibre offsets the carbs, and hence it is said to be a 5 gram intake of carbs, no fibre ... with me??

If you're going protein diets/shakes, then ensure as said you increase your water intake as your liver and kidneys will be screaming as your body starts to burn protein instead of fat and glycogen (glycogen stores in your liver) - I would suggest not replacing all meals and ensure you don't overload in meat as a protein source - you are taking in protein which is good, but also animal fats which are saturated and will shoot your good cholesterol through the roof. White foods should be avoided like rice, white bread, potato, pasta etc - avoid pumpkin and sweet potato also - high in starch which is sugar. Don't remove bread altogether though as you want grains, try to get low GI multigrain - if not, buy some brazil nuts (the best of the nuts for low fats, low sugars, and high protein), sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, etc.

Fruit is obviously going to be high on the agenda, but again full of sugars (natural yes, but if you aren't doing enough exercise to burn them off, your body will convert it to fat stores over about a 24-48 period as an easy source of energy and you are back to square one). Try not to take fruit in after about 3pm also - most (not all, we all different remember) people have their peak natural metabolic rate (not one induced through activity) in the middle of the day/early afternoon, so this is where you need to slow down the rate of intake.

Vegetables are also not just open slather - some are higher in naturally occurring carbohydrates. Ones to avoid are carrots, peas, beetroot, corn, squash, parsnip. Most others are rock solid and you should look to have two serves of green vegetables per day - mushrooms are especially good, high in protein, super low in carbs.

Grazing through the day is ideal - less than fist sized portions (in total) five or six times a day - this will (no matter who you are) force your body to recognize there is no need for food storage as it were as it is constantly being fed - no storage, means no love handles. The only problem with this is our lifestyles which often don't permit us to stop when we want and eat, or to have access to the right types of food when we are on the go.

Celery sticks are our friend. You can put some low fat Philadelphia cream spread on it for flavor/texture if you need. Being high in fibrous cellulose, celery actually provides the body less nutritional value than what it takes the body to burn it off, and hence weightloss. Don't go silly with the spread though.

I would strongly suggest you take a well known multi-vitamin daily as well as fish oil/omega3 to keep the heart healthy and the brain ticking over - the brain is made up of a large amount of omega3, and no point in dieting only to starve the brain also.

For those of you going on low carb shakes, diets etc, please be ultra careful - after about 3 to 4 days your bodies natural blood glucose levels will drop and hypoglycemia is a real threat. Symptoms such as cramps, headaches, irritability, etc can be definite signs, and if not addressed, it can get worse from there to such things as organ failure etc, so don't dismiss it (yes, this is the extreme end of it, but don't discount it). If you do think you are progressing well, but start feeling "just not right" then stop the program you are on - take in something high in carbohydrates such as a couple of pieces of white bread (nearly the entire daily recommended intake of simple sugars in this alone!!!) and if you feel better after a short period - real short, it happens quick, no more than an hour or so - then more than likely you were suffering this. Re-assess your program to substitute some fruit in instead of one of the protein meals to increase your blood glucose back to near normal - it generally won't mean you'll stop losing weight and you'll be better off for it.

Irrespective of the program you are intending, lifestyle is to remembered at all times - if you know you won't be able to sustain a healthy lifestyle applying a similar eating regime etc when you finish your program, then possibly re-assess it. No point drinking shakes, exercising more than normal, stopping drinking, removing carbs etc if you can't continue this in a healthy fashion once the program completes. You're setting yourself up for failure by more than likely putting the weight back on when you resume your normal lifestyle.

I had to do nutritional courses etc when I played professionally, but as said, I am not a nutritionist. If you are in doubt, please go see one and certainly see your doctor some stage early in the piece to ensure your insides are benefiting just as much as your outsides!!! I do have some knowledge in the space though and a range of reference material for various sorts of diet types.

If you've got any questions, queries, concerns or otherwise, please don't hesitate to let me know and use the group as a means of support - it is not easy, if it was, we'd all be our ideal weight all of the time!

Hopefully this all makes sense and certainly I hope it will assist. The very best of luck to you all in achieving your goal and here's to raising some dollars for a very worthwhile cause!!!

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JEEZ, Bigrig - this is the most level headed thread I've ever seen you write. Who helped you? lol

Seriously. Thanks for your support, advice and assistance. This thread rocks!!!!!

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

JEEZ, Bigrig - this is the most level headed thread I've ever seen you write. Who helped you? lol

Seriously. Thanks for your support, advice and assistance. This thread rocks!!!!!

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Sorry mate - it's really set a precedent for me I don't know I'll be able to keep up!! LOL!!

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

My only pair of budgie smugglers is a 'G' and I have a tendency to wear it back to front ... shouldn't be a problem should it??? LMFAO!!!

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i suddenly feel sick!!!!

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Originally Posted by hekarewe

i suddenly feel sick!!!!

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Remember......Words not pictures. Words not pictures. lol

Well, it's officially started .....The nissanpatrol.com.au Weight Mod.

Congratulations, you've chosen to get the best performance out of your body,
by giving it a service and tune up. lol

It's great to see you've decided to spend some time, effort and cash on yourself - instead of your truck.

Whether you've decided to lose a little bit or a lot, you're 'family'!

Well done to Bigrig for making this concept a reality. There are 2 winners...us and Canteen.

Whether you've publicly told us your weight, or pm'd it to Big rig, you're part of a team!

I strongly recommend you see your doctor before commencing your venture.

There's moral help here if you are being challenged. Just ask.

We are all overcomers!!!!

Take care out there.

Ross

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

Well, it's officially started .....The nissanpatrol.com.au Weight Mod.

Congratulations, you've chosen to get the best performance out of your body,
by giving it a service and tune up. lol

It's great to see you've decided to spend some time, effort and cash on yourself - instead of your truck.

Whether you've decided to lose a little bit or a lot, you're 'family'!

Well done to Bigrig for making this concept a reality. There are 2 winners...us and Canteen.

Whether you've publicly told us your weight, or pm'd it to Big rig, you're part of a team!

I strongly recommend you see your doctor before commencing your venture.

There's moral help here if you are being challenged. Just ask.

We are all overcomers!!!!

Take care out there.

Ross

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onya Ross ....

Hey Bigrig

I think it would be a really nice idea to flick off an email to Canteen telling them what we are doing to raise money.

Something I prepared earlier

https://www.canteen.org.au/

Then they could put something in their news letter to promote our cause and this forum.

Glad you thought of it Scotty. lol

Take care and keep 'pounding' that footpath.

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

Hey Bigrig

I think it would be a really nice idea to flick off an email to Canteen telling them what we are doing to raise money.

Something I prepared earlier

https://www.canteen.org.au/

Then they could put something in their news letter to promote our cause and this forum.

Glad you thought of it Scotty. lol

Take care and keep 'pounding' that footpath.

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Great idea and will do!!!

How's Day 1 going????

great mate hows about you

alls good this end and keeping on track

All good - good eating, and a good day of activity out at Ripley ...

I've got to master my eating cycle. I'm starting to hit the gym and the treadmill and today, I nearly ate the fridge out.

All healthy stuff, but just got to work out when to eat before and after a workout.

BALANCE....apparently. lol

Any help from you guru's would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

I've got to master my eating cycle. I'm starting to hit the gym and the treadmill and today, I nearly ate the fridge out.

All healthy stuff, but just got to work out when to eat before and after a workout.

BALANCE....apparently. lol

Any help from you guru's would be appreciated.

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More important to eat prior to a workout - reason for this (depending on the duration) is the body will immediately look for a nutrition source - generally the first thing attacked is the free form glycogen stores in your liver - from there the body will take the path of least resistance and convert protein to sugar before it will look to long term fat stores (that starts after about 45 minutes). The problem with going for protein first if you haven't eaten is that the easiest source of protein to convert is muscle tissue (no sh!t) and what you end up with is muscle deterioration/reduction (even if doing weights!!) and no use of fat stores. You want a good feed of protein about 30 minutes prior to training (about 30+ grams as this is about the maximum the body can assimilate and you will simply 'expel' the rest). Your metabolic rate increases whilst training and again dependent on the person and the duration of the session, you'll continue to burn at a high rate for sometime after training - this is where you want your body to go to the fat stores and not new protein/nutrition provided by eating within an hour or so after you finish.

With me?

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

More important to eat prior to a workout - reason for this (depending on the duration) is the body will immediately look for a nutrition source - generally the first thing attacked is the free form glycogen stores in your liver - from there the body will take the path of least resistance and convert protein to sugar before it will look to long term fat stores (that starts after about 45 minutes). The problem with going for protein first if you haven't eaten is that the easiest source of protein to convert is muscle tissue (no sh!t) and what you end up with is muscle deterioration/reduction (even if doing weights!!) and no use of fat stores. You want a good feed of protein about 30 minutes prior to training (about 30+ grams as this is about the maximum the body can assimilate and you will simply 'expel' the rest). Your metabolic rate increases whilst training and again dependent on the person and the duration of the session, you'll continue to burn at a high rate for sometime after training - this is where you want your body to go to the fat stores and not new protein/nutrition provided by eating within an hour or so after you finish.

With me?

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Now, what's that in English???

Thanks heaps. 2nd informative post today....you're on a roll.

Can you sign my book please, sir. lol. Well done Scotty.

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

More important to eat prior to a workout - reason for this (depending on the duration) is the body will immediately look for a nutrition source - generally the first thing attacked is the free form glycogen stores in your liver - from there the body will take the path of least resistance and convert protein to sugar before it will look to long term fat stores (that starts after about 45 minutes). The problem with going for protein first if you haven't eaten is that the easiest source of protein to convert is muscle tissue (no sh!t) and what you end up with is muscle deterioration/reduction (even if doing weights!!) and no use of fat stores. You want a good feed of protein about 30 minutes prior to training (about 30+ grams as this is about the maximum the body can assimilate and you will simply 'expel' the rest). Your metabolic rate increases whilst training and again dependent on the person and the duration of the session, you'll continue to burn at a high rate for sometime after training - this is where you want your body to go to the fat stores and not new protein/nutrition provided by eating within an hour or so after you finish.

With me?

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Soooo this would go for running as well yeah?

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

Soooo this would go for running as well yeah?

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Absolutely and even more so for aerobic activity like running - weights are anaerobic and actually strengthens muscle predominantly from 'breaking' the muscle fibrils as you workout (that's why you are sore the next day). When the fibrili mend themselves, they are actually stronger and thats what builds muscle bulk - the body uses protein and anaboles (spelling?) from the blood to repair the tissue and that's why you need protein for weights (and anaboles are the bodies natural body building amino acid and this is where the term 'anabolic' comes from in reference to steroids!!!).

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

More important to eat prior to a workout - reason for this (depending on the duration) is the body will immediately look for a nutrition source - generally the first thing attacked is the free form glycogen stores in your liver - from there the body will take the path of least resistance and convert protein to sugar before it will look to long term fat stores (that starts after about 45 minutes). The problem with going for protein first if you haven't eaten is that the easiest source of protein to convert is muscle tissue (no sh!t) and what you end up with is muscle deterioration/reduction (even if doing weights!!) and no use of fat stores. You want a good feed of protein about 30 minutes prior to training (about 30+ grams as this is about the maximum the body can assimilate and you will simply 'expel' the rest). Your metabolic rate increases whilst training and again dependent on the person and the duration of the session, you'll continue to burn at a high rate for sometime after training - this is where you want your body to go to the fat stores and not new protein/nutrition provided by eating within an hour or so after you finish.

With me?

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ok all cool .............follow me ill be right behind you
if we follow your lead we will all be about .............65 kgs hahahahahahaah

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

Absolutely and even more so for aerobic activity like running - weights are anaerobic and actually strengthens muscle predominantly from 'breaking' the muscle fibrils as you workout (that's why you are sore the next day). When the fibrili mend themselves, they are actually stronger and thats what builds muscle bulk - the body uses protein and anaboles (spelling?) from the blood to repair the tissue and that's why you need protein for weights (and anaboles are the bodies natural body building amino acid and this is where the term 'anabolic' comes from in reference to steroids!!!).

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Good onya mate cheers. The plan is to do one day on the tread mill then next day gym. Got all this gear sittin in the back room covered in dust and cobwebs so no bloody excuses anymore

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

Good onya mate cheers. The plan is to do one day on the tread mill then next day gym. Got all this gear sittin in the back room covered in dust and cobwebs so no bloody excuses anymore

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Keep an eye on your tread mill. I have to spray stuff under the mat every few months. I forgot and nearly burnt the motor out. Place stunk of burnt wiring, but it came good after a soaking.

Google the brand and they might tell you how to maintain it.

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Originally Posted by nowoolies

ok all cool .............follow me ill be right behind you
if we follow your lead we will all be about .............65 kgs hahahahahahaah

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Not me boss! I know the conceptS but suck at executing them!!!! LOL

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

Good onya mate cheers. The plan is to do one day on the tread mill then next day gym. Got all this gear sittin in the back room covered in dust and cobwebs so no bloody excuses anymore

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Good lad!!!

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

Not me boss! I know the conceptS but suck at executing them!!!! LOL

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It's a damn good start! Keep those 'handy hints' flowing. lol

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

Good onya mate cheers. The plan is to do one day on the tread mill then next day gym. Got all this gear sittin in the back room covered in dust and cobwebs so no bloody excuses anymore

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Oh, and by the way if you do decide at some point to get really energetic and do both in the same day, then the running first every time - weights AFTER aerobic activity and not the other way around.

You guys know the best and easiest way to burn calories quickly, right ?

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Originally Posted by DX grunt

It's a damn good start! Keep those 'handy hints' flowing. lol

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I'm sorta feeling like a really good mechanic that never actually works on his own car though!!! LOL ... I'll get there ... as we all will ...

Remember, every approx 2 kgs is literally another housebrick off your body that you aren't carrying around anymore!! I'm going for 12.5 housebricks by that thinking!!

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Originally Posted by katwoman

You guys know the best and easiest way to burn calories quickly, right ?

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tell me im all ears

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Originally Posted by katwoman

You guys know the best and easiest way to burn calories quickly, right ?

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Ummm ... has it got anything to do with being horizontal? Or upside down, or on your knees, or any of a range of other positions???? LOL

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

I'm sorta feeling like a really good mechanic that never actually works on his own car though!!! LOL ... I'll get there ... as we all will ...

Remember, every approx 2 kgs is literally another housebrick off your body that you aren't carrying around anymore!! I'm going for 12.5 housebricks by that thinking!!

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I lifted up a weight of the weight that I've lost in the past 6 weeks (8kg) and was shocked. It's unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

Oh, and by the way if you do decide at some point to get really energetic and do both in the same day, then the running first every time - weights AFTER aerobic activity and not the other way around.

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If all goes well this week on the routine i'll move to every other day next week doin both on the same day........but one step ata time dont wanna burst a pooper valve just yet!! ahahahaha

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Originally Posted by growlers71gq

If all goes well this week on the routine i'll move to every other day next week doin both on the same day........but one step ata time dont wanna burst a pooper valve just yet!! ahahahaha

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And be careful when you fluff. ROFPML