Doesnt removing the grill give you that extra bit of room needed
easy enough to whip up an A frame from some 4x2s
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Doesnt removing the grill give you that extra bit of room needed
easy enough to whip up an A frame from some 4x2s
No accessible rafter, convenient or otherwise. Clearspan roof 5’5 metres high. Not gonna buy a block & tackle just for this one off job. Might be able to use an old ‘comealong’ I’ve got though I think TD’s suggestion of an A frame would be required if doing it myself........ unless....... the old shed has accessible rafters but very limited space around the vehicle. Will have to suss out if it’s do-able there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Not sure Sooty, but that may well be it. The person who told me has an ’06 DX ute with the TD42i & the same winch.Quote:
Originally Posted by sooty_10
The grill stops at the top of the bar John. The winch will be removed from underneath the bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
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My winch comes off by lifting it up I dare say yours would to
But being original 4.2 the radiator may be in a different position
Yeah nah definitely drops down. The top of the winch is covered by the bar. Except for the access hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
The Td, not the Ti one, radiator is the same as the ZD one. So nothings changed there.
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Surely your new shed is a portal frame? Have you lined the roof or something? My old shed was a 20m x 12m with 3.9m wall height. Was awesome! Yes it was a long way up hence leaving the sling for future use. How do you not have a rafter supporting your roof purlins holding the roof sheets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
I use my sling and block for a few different tasks over the years. The Triumph head stem hung from it for about a year. I used it to lift out the motor of my ride on. I lifted a 308 out of a commodore with it too. I certainly used it to lift the front bar and winch off my GQ and used it to refit when I was ready too. Easy task done alone with that setup mate.
Given your on the land I'm stunned you don't already own a block and tackle or see a future need to be honest. Was bloody handy in my shed for sure and they are cheap as chips to buy.
I s'pose portal frame is probably the correct term? Wall height is 3.8mm but can’t get the car close to a wall. The main ‘beams’ across the roof are all c section & ‘engineered’ to do their job & little more. Not sure I’d want to be hanging much off them even if I could get up there to put up a sling. Have since looked at price of block & tackle & have been surprised at how cheap they are, I was thinking they’d be a few hundred bucks. Would certainly be a lot lighter to use the my old cast come along.
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Yeah I'd have no hesitation putting a sling around that C channel rafter mid span. No probs mate. The down force wind rating alone would far exceed anything your going to hang off there bud.
You can get a plate that bolts in at the ridge line with a big hole as s lifting point. Those brackets at the top of each column give it a heap of strength. Who built the shed? Looks like s JH Stephens shed.
Nah, it’s a Ranbuild shed.
A plate 600mm squ should allow enough to lift what a 35kg winch
take off the weight of the SWR So you only need support what 28kg tops
So this winch has to come out from underneath,
then frabricate a frame to fit onto the bullbar
easy enough to do, just saying lol
is the winch lifting up or down to remove.
with the plasma on it it would be lucky to be 28kg
My sheds a Stratco and Ive no doubt the c section span
would hold a winch ,
I used it to lift a 285 mud and steel rim when testing that
wheel lifter I designed did it easy thats closer to 50kg
LAST EDIT ::I used 6mm plasma to lift it
@Cuppa I have a sling I made from 6mm plasma I just looped
over the beam [C section],it supported my weight easy. 88kg
The issue is going to be getting up to the roof beam Would need to hire a scissor lift - twice. Once to get the pattern for a plate & again to put it up there. Weight lifted would also need to include bullbar btw. Then purchase a sling or some plasma rope, plus a block & tackle. All starts to make a for a ‘minor’ job which might be cheaper to give to a local 4wd shop? Sigh. I’m thinking the A frame idea may be the go.
I've been in Cuppas shed and a scissor lift is the only way to reach the roof beams. I wouldn't feel safe on one at that height, have enough trouble climbing scaffolding.
Nah no way guys. Seriously you are over thinking this cuppa.
So when they built the shed someone stood on the roof and screwed the sheets down. A couple of blokes probably. 6 blokes could run laps on your roof and probably not even get a vibration!! That's 500kgs to 600kgs easy! Anywhere on the roof! Seriously. Go and hire an extension ladder. Or buy one. Install the sling and leave it there. Make sure it's long enough you can reach it from a step ladder for future use. Get on with the job. This is a NO BRAINER!
What are you going to do when you need to change a light globe or clean your gutters mate? Hire a scissor lift? Really!
This is not a House of Cards. It's an Engineered Clear Span Steel Portal Frame Shed that meets the current Australian Building Code. Collapse is not Immanent! It really will support your weight and mine standing together with a few mates.
Darren, I accept the roof is strong as you suggest & the beams will take the weight of a winch & bullbar ok, but I’m not getting up on the roof or working at 5.5m on a ladder. I have a shorter ladder which just gets me to the gutters to clean them. We used a scissor lift to put up the lights, hung to a level where my stepladder can reach This is way below where a sling would need to be attached.
You know, heights never used to bother me at all, but as I get older they & I are less compatible. It’s a common phenomena apparently. At one time I would have run around on that roof without a care. I’m rather more cautious now I’m closing in on 60. You might consider this a bit ‘wimpy’, if so, so be it........ but one thing is for sure, if I were going to do anything at 5.5 metres up it would be on a scissor lift with safety rails around me. I’ve had a fall off a ladder from only about 3 metres up & thought I’d broken my back. I was lucky. What is a couple of knocks easily ignored at 40 or younger is a whole different ball game 20 years later. Of course if you’ve worked at heights all your life the view might be a little different.
Slingshot/Shangy,
'Ball' lead sinker towing a 30lb trace monofilament and then lightly tow the rest up once made your bullseye over :-) !
Make two "A" frames with a solid weight bearing beam to slide between them.
They would store flat against the wall , total weight you'll need to lift is about 65kg
for the bullbar and 28kg for the winch complete. Total 93kg
I hear you about heights . Im not afraid of them myself but a few mates are
Make from RHS of your choice min 40x40x3mm
Surely it would just be a lot easier with 2 people to lift?
Once your back is better Cuppa it's an easy 2 person lift.
Now thats KISS at its best lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Don't get me wrong cuppa, i was not really having a go or suggesting your "wimpy" mate. Heights are not really my thing either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
I was certainly getting frustrated with the suggestions the the shed was less than up to the task and that the only way to get a sling in place was on a Scissor lift! That just does my head in mate! It would not even make my list! It would be cheaper to call your local Electrician and ask him to send his Apprentice around with a long ladder for a box of beer, or local handy man, gardener, neighbour. Anyone with a long ladder and a roof rack would be cheaper than a scissor lift.
If that magnificent shed was in my back yard i would have a sling slung around your 3rd C Channel rafter just about the 3rd Tophat (between your lights and above your office chair). That seems to be your central work zone and having somewhere directly above your head that you can put a shackle and a Block on to work on things would be perfect. It can be 3.0m off the ground there mate, as long as you can reach the spot from your ladder to use the shackle.
There are plenty of ways to skin that cat though mate, a long pole to slip the top over the top of that rafter, a fishing pole with a smaller rope trace, whatever, you only have to do it once. You have been on the land long enough to put your mind to that little problem mate. Thats what you seemed to be over thinking to me mate.
Winnie is right, a second pair of hands would be the simplest, i agree. But the real context here is your other thread. You are looking for someone to come to your place and pull this winch off, strip it, rebuild it and then refit it (a full day, not just a lift off or on) and we were trying to find a way for you to get on with the job without that reliance. The task itself is fairly easy and everything you need to know to get the job done is in the start of this thread. You just need to get the winch off. I'm just trying to help. I have had a shed that big and i had to overcome this same problem. I can tell you that sling got plenty of work over the years.
Good luck wth it mate.
Darren, I recognise that a block & tackle would certainly come in useful from time to time, in fact I’ve already thought of another use. :)
It occurred to me that it would make putting the furniture I intend to store up on the /mezzanine floor up there far easier, & having looked have found a spot, mid-beam, which would work for this, and I can reach it standing on the Mezzanine floor without need for ladders. It is of course on the opposite side of the shed to the workshop area, but I would be able to manoeuvre the Patrol into position to do the winch.
Of course being mid-beam on a sloping beam, any sling I put over the beam will slide downward until a ’tophat’ prevents it sliding further. I realise that when lifting, the forces will be mainly vertical, but there will also be some force pulling the sling against the top hat (which is attached to the beam with two tek screws). I am not as certain as I’d like to be that the top hat would be strong enough in these circumstances. If you can confirm that, & I’m expecting you will, I’ve decided I’ll buy some gear.
As far as the gear goes, I was thinking a flat webbing type sling. However I found several other types in my search - rope, wire, round webbing. Reason I thought flat was that it would probably be best to spread the load as much as possible on the beam.
All of the smaller (500kg/1000kg) chain blocks I looked at new had chain lengths of 3 metres or less. I worked out that I need a minimum of 4 metres. On ebay there is a seller selling used chain blocks (end of project). These are branded units which I expect are going to be better quality than Chinese cheapies, but broadly speaking is a used chain block worth buying, or are they likely to be knackered or prone to failure. I’m thinking that for the limited use I’ll put it to there’s a reasonable chance they’d be just fine. The brands are Nobles, Boss, Beaver & Tuffy. $99 +14 postage except the Nobles which is $30 more. Any idea if the Nobles is worth paying a bit extra for or are they all much of a muchness?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chain-Hoi...IAAOSw0HVWA5ox
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chain-Hoi...sAAOSwknJXzGXi
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chain-Hoi...kAAOSwknJXzGaT
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chain-Hoi...MAAOSwdIFXzGDT
@Cuppa, the one in that first link looks the goods. Looks to be in great nik too. I think buying a Noble would be like buying a second hand dawn vice.
I was looking at you mezzanine for height too and can see your step ladder there. If you can get the car over there then that's a winner mate.once it's off you can work on it at the bench, you just need support.
I would buy a continuous type loop sling and feed it through itself for a half hitch / lasso around that beam. It will tighten right up and really will place little stress on that top hat.
Although if your looking to load up on top of that mezzanine then your going to want your block right up near the beam. I was suggesting hanging it about level with your lights. You might get by with a chain double wrapped around that beam. Or an old 3m tree trunk protector wrapped twice around that beam the a shackle through both loops together would sit it maybe 800mm off the roof? A few more wraps would shorten it further.
Good-o.
I had been thinking a 1 metre sling which would have seen the top of the chain block around 400mm below the beam, but I’ve got some chain I can use to get it closer to the beam. I’ll get the Nobles block.
This shows where I think I’ll attach it. Horizontally it’s about 400-500mm outboard from the edge of the floor. A little further would have been better, but I think it’ll be workable & it’s easy to access.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2016/09/31.jpg