That is a 'mutually exclusive' set of conditions, Cobber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
Workshop with the best rep and therefore highest pricing is prob Robson Bro's.
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That is a 'mutually exclusive' set of conditions, Cobber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
Workshop with the best rep and therefore highest pricing is prob Robson Bro's.
evil twin, funny you mention them.
Gave them (Robson Bros) a call and booked up for a couple of weeks.
Also found Armadale 4WD Service Centre.
Called them and spoke to the owner/manager. He said bring it in first thing Thursday, and they will have a good look. Will cost half hour labour ($60) but he said if they haven't found anything to explain the issue in that half hour, they must be doing something wrong. Gives me some hope...
Will leave it there gents and report back Thursday, hopefully with good news and more than shrapnel in my wallet...
Cheers
Evo
your craps nothing compared to clunks..your fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Evo
I haven't had anything to do with the Armadale mob so can't comment on them... willing to bet a half a can of flat XXXX they find some worn bushes thoQuote:
Originally Posted by Evo
Well, if it's bushes, I'll be ok, they are under warranty, all bushings on the suspension are barely 6 months old.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
Evo
I'm Done...
Over it...
Everything else isn't helping either...
Sorry to waste everyone's time.
Thanks for everyone's ideas and input.
Evo
So did the specialists find anything??
So when you say suspension is not 12 months old is that just springs and shocks, or all bushes?
And what bushes did you go??
Did you get castor correction bushes or did you not touch the drop arms?
how did you go mate?? hope everything is okQuote:
Originally Posted by Evo
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Originally Posted by Evo
ok, so what was the result from Armadale 4wd????
did they shed some light onto what the problem is / was / maybe............
sounds to me like a lot of small contributing factors
tyres - what type, size, off set
suspension - brand, size and lift gained
brakes - new / old / just serviced
condition of patrol old / flogged / hardly used
saying "Im done" wont help us to try and help you
to me - and I have done the same thing - swivel hubs & rotated tyres - got the death wobbles at 70-80kms
why?
because I run MT Baja MTZ's, and I think from the wear patten my rear dif is slightly bent/ out of spec.........
to fix is about $1500 for new tyres
Suspension was all done, ironman 3", all bushes I'm guessing are ironman, or whatever came with their gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
Had new drop arm-chassis bushes and caster correction bushes done.
Specialist answer, see below.
See below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stropp
As for the specialists, they said everything looks fine, but then started to pick the crap out of how I have my vehicle setup, said patrols are renowned for shakes/rattles/vibrations and that I should have bought a land cruiser...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigcol
I don't know what else I can say about the issue. Everything has been covered in this thread, and pretty much everything has been tried...
Not much else I can do, my health is going downhill so I can't do much myself, and money is just non existent now...
"I'm done" just seems to sum it all up...
Evo
Mate, feeling for you. Not sure what else to say. Hopefully there is still a sensible way forward. Just putting up with it for a bit until something comes clear or the cash comes together?? Maybe someone can still come up with some useful suggestion.
Hey mate,Quote:
Originally Posted by cgm
Putting up with it is hard as I have back issues, so the vibrations make it uncomfortable/unbearable to drive.
I miss how smooth it was...
Just can't afford to spend any more on it at all now, so either the problem will have to fix itself or be something that won't cost anything.
Knowing my luck, I won't get off that easy.
Evo
Wow that is a pretty piss poor effort from the mechanic.
Hopefully he didn't charge for bull shit.
I'll read the thread again incase I missed anything.
For them to say that is crap.
Sure I'm only running a 2" lift but I have no castor correction and no dampener. 33" tyres and no shimmy or shakes.
I'd say take it back to ironman, but unsure if they'll help now.
Felling for you. I can see your frustration.
I can be sorted. Just need to find the issue.
I agree Westy, I now know never to bother taking my car to Armadale 4wd......... sounds like a right tosserQuote:
Originally Posted by biggqwesty
in your case Evo, it sounds like it is something simple..... I just cannot think what could have been missed
mate hang in there, someone will think of it.............
Ok. Feel for ya with the back. Hopefully it's something that can be fixed. My battle is just beginning I think.
Anyway, car.
So can you confirm that all bushes were changed.
You got new drop arms for the rear I'm guessing?? So they should have new ones.
But what about the radius arm to chassis bushes??
Did you get adjustable panhard rods with the 3" lift?
I see you got a castor correction put in. Check these bolts as its possible that the bolts have stretched a bit and are a little loose. If the look like moving the tension as if these flog out its a decent welding job to fix.
If your up to it, I'd go over all the suspension bolts. Tensions may not have been right and bushes may now be moving.
It is really hard to pin point. There is so much going on.
I didn't read if stropp had lent you the spare rubber yet?? I guess if you haven't tried it yet then maybe give it a go.
See if the tyre joint was on the ball or not.
Just a wild one.
Are the castor bushes in the right spot.
Evo, I rebuilt my front end late last year with new bearings/seals and strangely enough, had really bad shakes afterwards. It was a simple fix, re tightening the wheel bearings. Now I can say how amazing it feels to drive. I hope this is your issue as its dead simple to fix.
But in saying this, I'm not aware of your health issues and how restricted you are, but for a mechanic to do, less than 5 minutes per side.
Evo feel for you with the back probs , you probably know mine isnt the best either having endured 17 back OPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
As for those road vibrations that screw into your spine try insulating the seat from the floor.
I was given a strato 3000 with lumber from the insurance Co. I couldnt drive around the block.
I then cut 4 x pads from some ute tub liner[rubber], conveyor, anything to insulate the seat from the floor.
Worked a treat, but now Im claiming a Strato LTSS suspension seat and air bag suspension.
Try the rubber it will work wonders 6mm soft rubber would be ideal, the stuff I used was just recycled.
Let us know how you go please
Easy enough to re check wheel bearings, maybe some one here can check for you.??
The wobbles dont necessarily have to come from the front. My patrol has developed a shake recently and it coming from the rear. I know it's the rear because it doesn't wobble when I have a trailer on. I have done everything you have before and it fixed my original issue. My original issue was fixed with factory rubber radius arm bushes.
For that shop to say that patrols are rubbish is rediculous. I would of gone off chops.
Dont give up mate surely a member can have a quick look and check 1 wheel bearings,Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
and 2 the the rear wheels are on correctely.
It cant be anything big as you have done everything already.
Im miles away but if you want I can cut some rubber for you and post it over.
but dont give up you're nearly there
And agree for a shop to call Nissan Patrols Shite boxes is just madness as we know
Hey evo if you can make it try wilkinsons suspension in Bayswater or ac 4wd in midvale, both do great work and will give you a quote for what needs doing.
Hi Evo, I've been following you dramas and feel for you, i know how frustrating it is tracing a problem when everything seems all good.
It's probably new but worth checking the steering stabilizer even if you can find someone's to swap it to see how it goes. It's easy to say but just a process of eliminating things one by one, i know you've been down a fair road already. I had a Sierra that was fine, got a road worthy on it with new tyres, drove it out with the death wobbles. A new stabilizer fixed it tho. I know it's probably been checked to death but Panhard bush's, mounts and tightness. I'm also aware that this should be done by the shop and time and $$ add up which sux. It's also hard to decide when not to preserve with a shop you don't trust. The advice you recieved about patrols problems is rubbish. I broke a Panhard mount in an old GQ and got it repaired in Mansfield. He told me Patrols were weak and i was better off getting something along the lines of a 60 series.!! Honestly what a loaf of crap there is a reason 90 percent of comp vevicles are patrols, because they are bloody strong, yes they can be prone to wobbles but it can be rectified, and there is no reason not to run mud tyres if everythings all good.
I wish you all the best with it shame to give up now but can understand how shitty you must be feeling. Hopefully you can find a good shop you can trust and are willing to solve the problem and provide some good old fashioned customer service. Good luck with it you deserve to enjoy it.
Thanks guys.
The mechanic said that swivel preload was good, wheel bearing were fine, all steering and suspension links and bushes were fine...
Still cost me $60 though.
Plus another $50 for front wheel balancing.
I would like if someone can rectify, explain, make me understand, how I have been thinking things through over the last couple of nights...
GU drove very smooth and was nice and steady.
Only thing that has changed from being a nice ride to a pig, is the last lot of work done (front and rear wheel bearing, and full swivel hub overhaul).
In my mind, I don't see how this work can affect the suspension, tyres, etc, that caused no issues before.
With tyres, I would think that from the regular rotation, they would all be worn evenly, and not to the point where all of a sudden they cause issues. I've been told they are worn evenly and they are in good condition (no cuts, no chunks missing, no bulges, not even a puncture or repair).
Suspension was all done, I saw it myself, everything was replaced, but nothing has changed between no issues and now.
From all the suggestions, I have, as best as I could, looked underneath and checked nuts, bolts, bushes, checked for play, slop, misalignment, if anything was bent, worn, damaged, if things were free to move, too tight, if there was any interference between components.
Everything seems fine.
Evo
Have any of these mechanics actually driven the thing with you in it?
I was thinking this to after reading it but didn't want to eliminate a possible cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
So if you can I'd personally tension the wheel bearings a little more.
The bigger tyres and bigger offset does add more force. So the tension may not be up to it.
Being a gu I'd tension one hole at a time.
If it feels like it went to easy then go 2 holes.
If you can tighten it half a turn and the wheel still spins then you have every right to kick the mechanic in the nuts.
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Originally Posted by Evo
REAR wheel bearings.............................
do you have Jack stands?
jack the back of the car up
start it and put it in 1st
get something like a LARGE T square
put it close to the wheel while its rotating (without touching the tyre please....................)
if 1 wheel bearing on the rear is not square, it will give you the wobbles..........
if you had the tools, having a great lump of steel, with a dial indicator would be the best to see if the wheel is actually rotating correctly as your eyes may not pickup the deflection
0.01 out of round would give you wobbles........
just a thought
I'll stick by phsyically checking the front wheel bearing yourself or get a mate to give you a hand.
Being a GU I'd remove the rear wheels and re-fit them making sure you fit them over that lip.
Its a common prob on GUs and a shop with a rattle gun in hand will easily miss it, This was one
reason GU wheels loosened.
What ever you do please do it one thing at a time. Even write down what you do
Might beg to differ about the rear wheels being balanced, but that wont fix your problem
The good thing is its costing you nothing to re-check
jay see - Yes. One even picked the slight vibration at a lower speed, but still put it down to tyres/balance.
biggqwesty - I did attempt this but didn't do anything as I thought best to use the proper tool (which I don't have).
Bigcol - The patrol doesn't have wobbles, just steering shake and a vibration.
threedogs - Health and motivation are currently making me leave this alone for a while.
Evo
Which tool bloke? Tensioner?
Just go by feel. You want a good firm feel on the spanner but still want the tyre to turn.
evo, i need to retighten my front wheel bearings when i do the front as it seems the left front will not seat correctly the first time , you need to jack the front wheels up and grab the wheel or tyre top and bottom and give it a shake to see if there is any movement, my bet will be the bearing needs tightening, if you need a hand let me know.
Should start a book on this , but I think Stropp's on the money,
It doesnt take a lot for the front to shake, hang in there EVO nearly there
As for Health and motovation I hear you loud and clear lol
Another wild idea.
What the steering arm, knuckles, shaft or bearing.
Just thinking out loud.
biggqwesty - the tool for the bearing adjustment ring
Stropp - if you are able to give me a hand, I'm more than happy to drive to you. Just let me know when and how I can compensate you for your time. Would be very much appreciated.
jay see - not sure what you are saying
Evo
Would it be possible to have a small meet and greet to sort out EVO ???
I'd be up for that for sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Evo
Oh, nobody wants to meet up?
I'm not dangerous...
So any volunteers want to have a look at this GU and see what they think?
Evo
Hi Evo, i was wondering how this was going. . . I'm assuming your over West, bit far for me would be happy to help tho. Maybe just post what area your in and hopefully some guys will jump on board soon. . .
I would. But it's close to a 12000k round trip, maybe more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo
Im sure the WA will help you out thats what this forum is about,
Like Rossco and Kallen Im miles away too, hang in there it will
get sorted
As Stropp has already stated, dont mind meeting up but its very doubtful id be able to assist. Im not around this weekend though so next weekend would be soonest