What are those moustache leaves TD?
The overloading issue will still be there by moving the axle. So over time the springs will sag back and become flat... :rolleyes:
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
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What are those moustache leaves TD?
The overloading issue will still be there by moving the axle. So over time the springs will sag back and become flat... :rolleyes:
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Overload or helper springs is the term I think. but not much travel only run 30 psi in trailer
but tows very well. Articulates well with O'brien off road coupling
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I wonder how much this would be.
http://suspensionenhancements.com.au/axleless.html
Different idea, thought they were air bags but has a lower stop one as well. Look like big rubber bushes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
Those springs you have a photo of have me stonked, for the life of me I can not see how they keep the spring bent, they look like it wants to keep them straight. Drawing pickys on a scrap of paper has not helped me at all!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Westy's Accessories
Decided to email them to get a quote out of curiosity, will be way too expensive for this exercise. Anyway lets see what their customer service is like.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
If your trailer is in good nick why not see what its worth to trade up to a braked one with a better load rating might not be to much if yours is still in good condition , all legal and ready to go.
steve
Good idea might look into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaddy
If you go that way watch the quality on the cheep brands , I did a set up of a new swift co yesterday for a mates 5.5m Haines , the quality left a lot to be desired , poorly galvanized ugly welds , and cheap quality brakes , even the override brake cable was't galvanized ,
This is the response I got from Suspension Enhancenents.
Hi Mick,
Your problem is one of those problems that the Timbren Axle Less or Silent Ride Suspension will resolve.
Due to the Nature of the Aeon Springs and their progressive operation they will remain stable and provide a far softer ride than any other product even being towed as an empty trailer.
What you need is the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less Suspension or the 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride Suspension the difference is the Silent Ride has an Axle shaft. It could possibly be the one you already have on your trailer. I have attached an Axle Chart so that you can check that it has the capacity for the extra weight. As you will see you need at least a 40mm Square Axle or 45mm Round Axle to carry up to 1000kg.
As the Trailer frame sounds pretty light I suggest the Silent Ride may be better choice as the Axle Less puts a bit of Twist load on the Trailer Side chassis rails and may need some reinforcing, however it has prevision for you to fit a cross brace in to it to resolve that issue. Unless your trailer is really light the Silent Ride should just about bolt straight on. I have attached fitting instructions for both so that you can see and evaluate the difference.
The 2000lb/909kg Silent Ride is $560.00 and the 2000lb/909kg Axle Less with Ford type Stub Axles is $895.00, these are kits include left and right Suspensions plus stub axles in the case of the Axle Less. If your current Hubs are not Ford bearing compatible you would need 2 Ford Hubs for the Axle Less Suspension which would cost you $65.00 each, that’s with a stud pattern to suit your current wheels.
I don’ know whether you are aware of it but over 750g ATM you should have brakes, the best way is limit your ATM to 750kg if you can.
Also in regards to ratings the Timbren Suspension ratings are for the “Axle“ only being the combined weight on the 2 wheel patches, you add 10% to get the Trailers allowable ATM therefore a 2000lb/909kg Suspension gives a Trailer an ATM of 2200lb/1000kg.
Let me know if I can provide any more information. The email and mobile below are my direct contacts.
Regards,
Bill Emeny
Suspension Enhancement Systems Australia Pty Ltd
P: 1300 949 149
M: 0418 347 615
E: bill@suspensionenhancements.com.au
W: www.suspensionenhancements.com.au
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From: Mick
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013 10:01 PM
To: info@suspensionenhancements.com.au
Subject: Axle Less Enquiry
G’day, I am thinking of upgrading my boat trailer (leaf springs)to carry a little more weight when camping. On long camping trips I could have up to 350 kg of gear.
The tyres are load rated at 650kgs each.
The boat weighs 200kgs and max boat load is 610kgs.
The trailer weighs 120kgs and max load is 749kgs.
The motor weighs say 90kgs plus let’s say 100kg of bits and pieces in the boat including anchor, chain rope, kill tank sounder, etc, etc, etc.
edit: I think I'll take it to a weigh bridge for an accurate assessment.
So that's a total for boat, motor, accessories is 390kg.
ATM and GTM on the trailer is 749kgs
Do I minus the 120kgs of the trailer off the 749kgs.
If so the 629kg less 390kgs is 239kgs to max load the trailer.
If I don't then that's 359kg to max load the trailer.
The boat max is 610kg less 170kg (motor and bits) is 440kg so the boat can hold plenty.
So either way I am at or close to the max load limit of the trailer.
So I think a upgrade is going to be best and new plate as Cuppa suggested reflecting higher load limit.
So realistically I need to get the trailer rated to the extra 440kg of the boat capacity, which is I guess to get the trailer to an ATM and GTM of 850-1000kgs.
Hope this all sounds right.
My dilemma is that 99%of the time the boat isn’t loaded with weight and I’m worried the suspension will be too stiff for the light weight most of the time.
I have been toying with many ideas like air shockers, air bags, SAX 3SDS systems, ironman load equaliser. Really not sure and saw your add in 4WDACTION magazine.
Can I get a quote for the axleless suspension and or any other solution you may have to help with my decision.
Attachment 30386Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironman 4x4
This is the trailer, might need a better pis though.
Hey Mate,
Unfortunately this is something that I won't be able to advise you of any further online, purely because it really does need to be physically looked at and measured. As stated above, if you measure up the leafs and find that they are within those specs that are advised, you should be all good. But you'll need to physically get under there and do the measuring up of the suspension.
Hey Mego,Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
That is a very light "Slipper" Spring setup mate. If your looking to use your boat trailer to carry a bit of camping gear and what not (I think i read that somewhere) then you really should be looking and replacing that set up with a eye to eye spring with a bush at one end and a shackle at the other. Get them load rated to 750kg at least, this might also see you need to replace your axle too and it this is the case then think about putting electric brakes on her while your there.
You really cant "Half do it" and i dont think your the kind of bloke that wants to half do it either.
The trailer is already rated to 749kg and I only want it to hold extra 100kg.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
I am basically loading to under the max rating anyway but it does get the tyres close to the guards.
Really!! Wow, then they are the light side of that mate. maybe it is rated at 749kgs as getting it rated at 750kgs would have needed something further.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
Not a fan of Slipper Springs. If it is rated to 749 then your axle should be fine, junk those springs and weld in some hangers at the back and fit Eye to Eye springs and be done.
well that's very new and very cool.. But i think the same thing would come about with this setup as with normal springs.. If your loading to the upper rating your increasing wear and will have to replace rubbers sooner, and if you go the next step up then you'll still have a stiffer ride once empty.
I guess if you wanna do it right, load her up and find a weigh bridge. Find your real weight.
Im still sticking with some sorta load aid, like air shocks, or even leaf bags like the use on vehicles. This way your springs will still work as intended with light loads, but wont take 100% of the heavy load.
Id go the shocks over the bags though so your adding some stability to the trailer. Your adding a lot of top weight and the little 650kg springs aint designed to dampen that sorta overhead load..
In the end it is your call and your $$$, im just think out aloud
X 2 wuth MR go see Scotty at that trailer place I mentioned earlier, they sell the lot plus you might be able to fit patrol rims on your Trailer .
If you want to meet there ,what ever yell out. Or we make a wiz bang boat trailer that'll be the envy of every one,
IMO sell this trailer and buy an up graded one already braked, think it would be cheaper in the long run.
. KIS. Going through whole rego thing with pits etc will drive you nuts.
I really struggle Mick to see those springs coping with 750kg???
My gardening trailer is rated to that and has far bigger springs with bigger axle and 6 stud 4x4 rims and tyres and even with a tonne in the back the tyres only then get close to the guards.
I have only had that weight in there a couple of times thanks to dopey loader driver at the yard way over filling me and the drive back to the job was scary.
Brakes ain't needed if below 750. So best weigh it all first and then fork out $$$
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Quote:
Originally Posted by Westy's Accessories
And thats why it is rated to 749kgs ;)
yep consider trading it in versus stripping the springs and axle off and welding on a new set. the new set will likely set you back $500 maybe?
Yeah MR they're not cheap plus getting them welded on etc. Its that 750kg thats critical. When I was rego'ing my trailer even though its got brakes and a 1500kg axle etc
its only regoed as a 750 kg job, even though its very close to that empty, about 550-600 kg .
Go buy another trailer, thats my take on it, trade yours in.
Attachment 30412Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie
It can only handle 749kg
Load her up and weigh it.. you might be under.. if your are, $300 in those air shocks I linked, a day install (happy to do) and your set.
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Mego i have moved all your suspension chat over to this thread from the Ironman thread. Hope that helps.
The less I can spend the better, probably really need to spend some time with a suspension mob and/or trailer mob.
I suppose this cheap options. But they're a bit far away. Freight would bump the price up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
i did not even look where they were Mick, just googled "trailer Parts" you will find someone closer for sure or call them for a price.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
give Sparks Trailers a call in Geelong, they'd sell everything you need
I have decided to go with the Ironman LoadPlus for the boat trailer.
After speaking to Ironman head office and one of their distributors, we come to a conclusion that this will work on a boat trailer.
So much so, that the distributor didn't know that the LoadPlus will work on boat trailers, so he tried it on his jetski trailer which he loads up when camping.
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He keeps it on all the time, just loosens the nuts when no load and tightens up when trailer load up. Taddaaaaarrrrrr!!!!
Huntsman trailers on Ebay sell the lot. Not far away either.
Was just at a trailer mob this morning $800 for their off road hitch,
It's the bees knees and pricing should fall
Went to fit up the LoadPlus but are slightly longer and doesn't fit under the chassis of the trailer.
Oh well back to the drawing board.
Spewing. Well I'd still go the air shocks..Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Mego when I had a HD standard sized trailer and wanted to drag it up creeks and over sandhills around Alice Springs I turfed the short trailer springs and put a set of triton rear leaves in .They are a two main leaf with eyes both ends and from memory a 5 pack spring and all I did was take the bottom 2 leaves off which gave me a soft riding trailer that didn't bounce around and no shockies as the leaves will give you a damping effect as they compress. Cost 6 stubbies and 4 new eye brackets as they were a bit wider but still a standard trailer spring pack size .Never had a drama and that trailer went every where.
Purchased a set of ARK leaf spring pack, rated to 1000kgs, hopefully won't be to stiff fir the boat.
Looking at the old springs closely today, found them to have sagged probably 2". Really sitting low. Never noticed it sitting so low.
I fit em up and see how it sits.
I went for this cos of ease of fitment and no modifications.
@ Mego are your springs slipper style or Eye to eye style. If you need more height I have a quick fix
@ Kallen why don't I just make extended shackle plates to achieve a bit more lift.
They slipper type.
Lift is NOT what I require, otherwise the trailer needs to be further in the water for me to launch.
It is only a short trailer.
1,000 Kgs sounds a lot for a boat, but we haven't seen you load it up for a trip......Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
Mic
It is only 250kg more than they are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by happygtu
And seeing the trailer is only 2-3 yrs old and the springs are shot and sagging, it's definitely had its fair share of loaded work.
Should be good then .... just sounds like they would shake the boat to bitsQuote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
not sure of the term but why not get them re scragged at Brooklyn spring works.
that's who I'd be talking to