Installing WRX front mount intercooler with 3" pipe to GQ

[nissannewby]

I'm spamming your thread??? You bone head I ask a reasonable question unlike these other bone heads you call mates and you pick me out.... your going down Batty !!!!!!!!

What does diameter have to do with it... serious question!!!

Diameter has to do with volume and air speeds. The smaller the pipe the faster the air speed and less volume. Slow moving air wont heat back up as quick as fast moving air. Also when using Larger turbos that can spool as quick as they do now you can encounter surge so having more volume after the turbo can help to prevent this.

As for cooler size the more frontal area the better. Thickness plays a part as well. To thick and you can lose the cooling effect as the air travelling through has heated up prior to actually getting through the core. To thin and it can be restrictive.

At a mimimum I would use a cooler with 2.5" tanks with 2.5" piping. And 50-75mm thick.

Small coolers are not as efficient and after a period they will not be able to transfer air as effectively. To big and you obvioulsy have a larger volume to fill which can result in lag as the turbo has to pump enough air with enough volume to fill and pass through the cooler.

[AB]

Excitement...lol

[Winnie]

Did Andy tell you roughly what to expect?
He told me to expect around 100-120 so I was happy when it came in at 120 haha.

[AB]

Yeah bugger, I'm loosing a few pound of boost through the system. Getting them to do a leak test now.

If that checks out then its the overall big system and not enough fuel and turbo to supply what the engine wants.

Fitting boost comp on now, test for leaks and fingers crossed.

[dakka1]

bloody cracker of a read it took me a while but I managed to get through all 26 pages AB. nice job mate not only have you done a great job I think hands down you win the biggest IC on a gq prize lol.

[AB]

bloody cracker of a read it took me a while but I managed to get through all 26 pages AB. nice job mate not only have you done a great job I think hands down you win the biggest IC on a gq prize lol.

Looks like it might be too big for my pump and turbo though...lol

Might have to upgrade..what a shame...

[nissannewby]

You will be doing well to get around 100rwkw

[AB]

You will be doing well to get around 100rwkw

I don't think ill get near that unfortunately with this set up.

[nissannewby]

I don't think ill get near that unfortunately with this set up.

Yeah. I will predict 85-90rwkw with yours.

[AB]

Yeah. I will predict 85-90rwkw with yours.

Ok ill go 80 - 85 then...lol

Bets are on...

[Bloodyaussie]

75................

[Winnie]

Well?????????????????????????

[Bloodyaussie]

That bad hey !!!!!!

[AB]

Boooooo!!!


Only reached 79...I'm saying 80...lol

There is actually a small leak not from the ic install but from the air filter to the turbo, easy fix. Bit scary after all those deep crossing I have done and that's a leak from pre turbo.

Small little leak from one of my clamps, ill change to a smaller clamp, may help me get 80...lol

Advice given...need bigger pump and turbo for my set up so time to start saving. I haven't driving it yet but advised ill definitely notice the difference.

Time to save some pennies!!!

[nissannewby]

Good results mate.

[AB]

Good results mate.

Do you think? I'm somewhat disappointed but maybe I was expecting too much from the standard pump and turbo and this massive ic.

[Winnie]

Disappointed why? You have driven it and was happy with the increase in performance so why does that number disappoint you?
Call it 80 haha, mine was 119 and I am calling it 120 lol.

So your pump is maxxed out now?

[Rossco]

Hows your car going?

[AB]

Yep just got home and noticed a good increase in power actually...I'm happy again...lol

Coming up Yarra glen hill was good, averaged 300 up hill.

[Rossco]

Sweet, the proof is always in the pudding, who cares about whats on paper. . . . There is always the need for more one day tho . .

[AB]

I meant a boost controller not compensator in my comment before too.

[nissannewby]

Do you think? I'm somewhat disappointed but maybe I was expecting too much from the standard pump and turbo and this massive ic.

Yeah certainly your torque figures are pretty which is mainly I look at. Its only a little 10mm pump that is getting old now they dont last forever. Like I said 85-90 on yours would have been doing well.

One thing you need to remember with the diesel is your main goal should be torque rise and curve not hp.

[Rossco]

Coming up Yarra glen hill was good, averaged 300 up hill.

Is that Kph?

[AB]

Is that Kph?

Egt degrees Celsius

Feeling better now, thanks blokes... Lol

[Winnie]

I think what you will love more than anything is not having to be so aware of your EGTs as you know that on a serious hill it should not be over 300, and no more backing off on long hills either.

[AB]

I think what you will love more than anything is not having to be so aware of your EGTs as you know that on a serious hill it should not be over 300, and no more backing off on long hills either.

That is the main thing isn't it...

And I'm really happy with that to be honest. As benny said ill do a report in the egt log thread. Ill take it back up kinglake hill so we have a solid 3 setup comparison.

[Winnie]

It just means you can deal with waiting until you can save for a new setup =) haha

[nissannewby]

Egt degrees Celsius

Feeling better now, thanks blokes... Lol

Ill help even more. Winnies patrol with bigger pump and turbo is only putting out 100 more nm than you but 40 more kw. So your doing pretty well.

Then you have bens extreme he is only making 60 more kw than winnie but making 300nm more.

[AB]

We all know what the next question is for me and that is what pump and turbo to get.

I don't mind spending good money to get something worthwhile. I have been researching a lot and to be honest I am more lost then before.

Any advice would be appreciated...lol

[Winnie]

I might be in the market for a pump some time soon too so I am paying attention now...

[nissannewby]

We all know what the next question is for me and that is what pump and turbo to get.

I don't mind spending good money to get something worthwhile. I have been researching a lot and to be honest I am more lost then before.

Any advice would be appreciated...lol

Are you lost or just really dont know what you want?

If you can answer this it will make things easier. What do you want to achieve with upgrades?

[Ben-e-boy]

When winnie got his it was making 82kw

[Winnie]

I can't remember what the first dyno I got was... I think it was 76 or something, that 82 was after the new turbo and cooler but before the tune.

[AB]

Are you lost or just really dont know what you want?

If you can answer this it will make things easier. What do you want to achieve with upgrades?

To be honest I'm lost because I don't know what I want.

in the interim i want more power for towing the camper on long trips. I want more power for off road use and for general onroad driving and of course the wank factor of just having more power. Not going to lie on that last point.

Leah's commodore is coming close to its death. I have "long" term plans of getting Leah a nice auto 4wd for our family trips and my gq will eventually simply be a fun weekend car to dip into more challenging things.

[MudRunnerTD]

You should be pretty happy with those numbers out of your little turbo mate. Small second hand turbo. It's doing pretty well. What is Boost set at now?

There is a very good Pump guy not far from you AB and he will put a 12mm plunger and rebuild your pump for under $2k. Just down the road.

[nissannewby]

You should be pretty happy with those numbers out of your little turbo mate. Small second hand turbo. It's doing pretty well. What is Boost set at now?

There is a very good Pump guy not far from you AB and he will put a 12mm plunger and rebuild your pump for under $2k. Just down the road.

12psi.

Who does those pumps? There are 12mm pumps then there are 12mm pumps.

[MudRunnerTD]

12psi.

Who does those pumps? There are 12mm pumps then there are 12mm pumps.

Yeah he is a guy that sets up a lot of Competition stuff down this way. Low key but highly recommended to me. You can spend soooo much money on Pump mods, mild to wild. This guy was going to do my pup rebuild on the GUIV when I was chasing that fuel problem a year or so ago. Was weeks away from spending the money on a rebuild when I found the split fuel line causing my trouble. Lol

[Stropp]

To be honest I just want more power to get over big red :).

Well I know why now AB lol

[AB]

Well I know why now AB lol

ssshhhhhhhhh.....lol

Yeah that was the icing on cake...lol

[AB]

Just picked up some mesh and paint for the grille to cover up my hacking...lol

[dakka1]

hey AB if I was to use a smaller IC would the pipes fit down the side of the radiator or in a spot where no cutting is involved??

[AB]

hey AB if I was to use a smaller IC would the pipes fit down the side of the radiator or in a spot where no cutting is involved??

Smaller pipe would be a lot easier mate as you can run the hot side directly to the turbo running past the alternator and in general a lot easier.

Unless you wanted to run the pipes underneath the body then up your going to have to cut in unfortunately.

Thought I would throw this pic up before I bolt everything back on.

Took everything apart today, siliconed up everything just incase and re tightened all clamps. Pita but peace of mind when in deep water.

Stay tuned for my awesome new grille...lol...just drying in the sun!!!

[AB]

Goodbye crappy nissan clips, hello screw ins!!!

[AB]

Man decorating!!!


I AM DONE!!!!

black is the new grey!!

[AB]

Tried to use thin mesh to not restrict air flow, ill see how it goes!!!

[Ben-e-boy]

About bloody time, now go and log some pyros!

[AB]

About bloody time, now go and log some pyros!

Yeah bloody hell, 20 pages later!!!!

[AB]

To nissan badge or to not, that is the question??

[Winnie]

Post a photo with the badge. I reckon it looks awesome.

[Rossco]

Looks bloody good! Would look good with badge but dont forget its going yo get tight with a high mount.

[AB]

Looks bloody good! Would look good with badge but dont forget its going yo get tight with a high mount.

Good point, ill wait for the highmount first.

Actually your set up will be exactly the same as mine with your bar so let us know how you go when you put the highmount in.

Has nicko left yet, get that highmount in...lol

[Bloodyaussie]

Hmmm.... High mount.... hmmm !!!!!!

[Winnie]

Hmmm.... High mount.... hmmm !!!!!!

They are slack bastards aren't they!

[Bloodyaussie]

They are slack bastards aren't they!

Takes them forever to do one bloody job.... i'd swap but Andy would do such a shit job!!!!

[Winnie]

Takes them forever to do one bloody job.... i'd swap but Andy would do such a shit job!!!!

You get back to work too!

[growler2058]

Which badge you got AB?

[AB]

Hmmm.... High mount.... hmmm !!!!!!

Like a possessed cat on speed, this is the mind of Johnathon Margaret Parker!

[AB]

Which badge you got AB?

The one that says nissan...

[Bloodyaussie]

Like a possessed cat on speed, this is the mind of Johnathon Margaret Parker!

It is Jonathan Margherita Parker..... bone head.

[AB]

It is Jonathan Margherita Parker..... bone head.

Really?

I just took a stab, bloody close...lol

[Rossco]

Did someone mention high mount somewhere? . . .
Yeah slowly working on mine.

[@GUte]

Ill take it back up kinglake hill so we have a solid 3 setup comparison.

Which track/road is this? Pine Ridge Rd?

[AB]

Which track/road is this? Pine Ridge Rd?

Nah just the main Melba hwy coming up that long hill from dixons creek to the intersection where you turn left for kinglake or right to toolangi.

That hill goes for a long time and is great tester.

[@GUte]

Nah just the main Melba hwy coming up that long hill from dixons creek to the intersection where you turn left for kinglake or right to toolangi.

That hill goes for a long time and is great tester.

Oh OK.

I used to travel up and down Pine Ridge rd, amongst other back rd's and it would be a very good test for EGT's, but then there are plenty of good test hills/tracks in your area.

[Rossco]

Pine ridge rd has been closed for a while now. Shame used to be a good track, but got seriously chopped up after the fires, last time I went up was pretty rough.

[@GUte]

Pine ridge rd has been closed for a while now. Shame used to be a good track, but got seriously chopped up after the fires, last time I went up was pretty rough.

Yeah right, thanks Rossco, I used to travel up and down there in my old chev powered Hilux back when I lived in Pheasant Creek. :smiley_thumbs_up:

[Bloodyaussie]

Just picked up my bullbar ab.... everyone thinks that I am nuts swapping with you!!!

Blasted and primed ready for paint.

48633

[Clunk]

Just picked up my bullbar ab.... everyone thinks that I am nuts swapping with you!!!

Blasted and primed ready for paint.

48633

swapping it for his high mount????? that's jolly decent of him!!!! hahahaha

[AB]

Just picked up my bullbar ab.... everyone thinks that I am nuts swapping with you!!!

Blasted and primed ready for paint.

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You are a beautiful person Johnathon!!!

I'm trying to make it worth it for you.

I can't believe you primed it too!!!!!

[AB]

Your not spraying my one though are you??

[Bloodyaussie]

NO................................................ ......................... :icon_bonk:

[AB]

NO................................................ ......................... :icon_bonk:

Is that a yes or a no?

You're harder to figure out then Leah...lol

[Clunk]

Is that a yes or a no?

You're harder to figure out then Leah...lol

are you saying that BA is more of a woman than Leah!!!!?????

[Winnie]

NO................................................ ......................... :icon_bonk:

Powdercoat it for him you tight bastard!

[AB]

Powdercoat it for him you tight bastard!

I wonder if arb can do us a powder coating demo this Thursday...lol

[Bloodyaussie]

Powder coating sucks....

[nissannewby]

NO?????!!!!! :icon_bonk:

Fixed it for you mate.

[Bloodyaussie]

?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? ??????????????? what you on about?????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

I personally dont like powder coating for bar work as once it is chipped away it is hard to tidy up.

I prefer paint then it just needs a dust up every now and then.

I only got the Bar primed as I was not sure how long until you would paint it so did not want it to rust.

The scrub bars I did not get primed as I knew I would be painting straight away.

I could bring the bar to the ARB night?? I am going to need your bar pretty soon.

[Winnie]

Yes I agree with you. My bar is powdercoat and is chipping away in places.

[nissannewby]

You can get powdercoat specific touch up paint now.......

[AB]

?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? ??????????????? what you on about?????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

I personally dont like powder coating for bar work as once it is chipped away it is hard to tidy up.

I prefer paint then it just needs a dust up every now and then.

I only got the Bar primed as I was not sure how long until you would paint it so did not want it to rust.

The scrub bars I did not get primed as I knew I would be painting straight away.

I could bring the bar to the ARB night?? I am going to need your bar pretty soon.

Yeah no probs mate. ill have to strip my bar at home but I can take the rodeo at work and bring the bar in the tray as it will be a pita trying to get everything back on in the car park at 9pm at arb.

Do you want to do that?

I just didn't know if you were just going to leave my bar as is and throw it on your car or if you were going to spruce it up and respray it. It's actually in pretty good nick, no dents or deep scratches, etc...

[MrSka]

So was there a reason you picked a wrx cooler, or was it just what you had? I'm looking at buying one of these from justjap:

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/08/48.jpg

Mainly because the piping for my RD28 GQ will be so much easier then having to pipe it all the way back round. I plan to either mod my stock plenum to be like this:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2014/08/49.jpg

Or use a GU RD28 plenum, and rotate the intake 90 degrees.

[AB]

So was there a reason you picked a wrx cooler, or was it just what you had? I'm looking at buying one of these from justjap:

Mainly because the piping for my RD28 GQ will be so much easier then having to pipe it all the way back round. I plan to either mod my stock plenum to be like this:

Or use a GU RD28 plenum, and rotate the intake 90 degrees.

Purely because a friend was giving it away mate with a lot of piping that could work that's all. I won't lie though, it was a bit painful trying to get it all to work though being a full custom fit.

[TurboYoda97]

Haven't ever tuned my turbo. Probably why it seems like there isn't one there

[TurboYoda97]

Do you know if anyone has put an atmospheric blow off valve on a gq before??? just curious

[MudRunnerTD]

Do you know if anyone has put an atmospheric blow off valve on a gq before??? just curious

No point on a Deisel mate.

[Ben-e-boy]

Do you know if anyone has put an atmospheric blow off valve on a gq before??? just curious

Only need one if you run big boost and suffer from compessor surge. The kit is about $700 from memory

[89gqpatrol4x4]

Thread dig here sorry mate! To get your cooler back you cut that vertical bonnet catch steel bar off and took off your aircon thermo?
Any negative affects on aircon? And any affects of removing that support?
How's the cooler lasting over the rigures of 4 wding?
Nice work too mate keeps it subtle!

[Rossco]

Thread dig here sorry mate! To get your cooler back you cut that vertical bonnet catch steel bar off and took off your aircon thermo?
Any negative affects on aircon? And any affects of removing that support?
How's the cooler lasting over the rigures of 4 wding?
Nice work too mate keeps it subtle!
Hey mate ABs away for a few days but have a front mount on my GQ. Yeah removed vertical support just a couple of bolts top & bottom. Didnt notice any difference really maybe bonnet needs a firmer slam to shut but that might just be my catch. Took off the thermos for the aircon too, still works beutiful the only loss will be aircon might not get icy cool if just sitting there idling cos it's not getting airflow but hasn't been an issue at all with mine really. .

[89gqpatrol4x4]

Cheers Rossco. Did you run your pipe work the same and did you rubber mount the intercooler ?

[Rossco]

Mines a safari kit for a GQ pretty sure it is has rubber grommets, I'll check a bit later. Pipe work is a bit different it's all part of the safari kit, mines different inlet & outlet are on the same side just top & bottom. Yeah pretty happy with the front mount looks very discrete and seems to work well.

[AB]

As above mate...

Need to shut the bonnet a bit harder than normal and I just got back from a blistering summers trip and it was icey cold the entire time, even idling for 20 minutes.

[89gqpatrol4x4]

Thanks mate