Thanks for all the posts guys its really helping me narrow it down a bit lol i think scrap the ls1 and rb30 ideas and focus more on the tb42 and td42 want i want to use the rigs for is 4x4 trips and camping trips oh yeah and some that will tow a 23ft boat lol! What are they like for towing??? And yeh also something i can drive everyday and not cost to much so yeh im not really asking for much am i!!!! Lol thanks again guys feel like im right at home on this forum lmao