GQ Patrol Rear end squeal

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15th September 2011, 10:24 PM
White Elephant

GQ Patrol Rear end squeal

Okay, so now that the formalities are out of the way. I have a very annoying intermittent squeal (almost sounds like the whistle that a boiling old school kettle makes) in the rear end of the old bus. I have replaced the rear wheel bearings & seals (twice...thought I might have got some dodgy bearings...I like to bargain hunt) and brake pads, pulled apart, lubed it and put it back together countless times and the noise is still there.

It pops up intermittantly after driving for an extended period of time. I have pushed in the clutch pedal when it starts just to make sure it's not throwout noise, applied the skids at various speeds to make sure it's not a brake issue, and done some hard left to right steering and vise versa to try and find the source of the problem. On occasion the sharp steering jolts will stop the noise momentarily and then after a minute or so it will start back up. I'm totally puzzled. If anyone has any ideas please let me know!
15th September 2011, 10:32 PM
Sir Roofy

have you checked diff oil might be a bearing in the diff its self if you have done a lot of clicks they may be getting a tad tired
15th September 2011, 10:59 PM
White Elephant

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Originally Posted by roofy

have you checked diff oil might be a bearing in the diff its self if you have done a lot of clicks they may be getting a tad tired

Good call! I keep all the diff & trans oils well changed, but I didn't even think about that...Kinda thought it would have been a wheel bearing before the indestructible mechanism that is a Patrol diff. So you reckon maybe drive pinion bearing? The noise has been hard to pick between left and right side, it seems to change up at will...though it could just be resonating through the diff and axle housings. It's an LSD btw. Oh and she's just rolled over 341k km's.
15th September 2011, 11:10 PM
Sir Roofy

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Originally Posted by White Elephant

Good call! I keep the all the diff & trans oils well changed, but I didn't even think about that...Kinda thought it would have been a wheel bearing before the indestructible mechanism that is a Patrol diff. So are you reckon maybe drive pinion bearing? The noise has been hard to pick between left and right side, it seems to change up at will...though it could just be resonating through the diff and axle housings. It's an LSD btw. Oh and she's just rolled over 341k km's.

could be a pinion bearing if the the cover is a bit loose or grit or water found its way in

or maybe the sound is going down the tail shaft, chasing sound is hard at the best of times
15th September 2011, 11:19 PM
White Elephant

Quote:

Originally Posted by roofy

could be a pinion bearing if the the cover is a bit loose or grit or water found its way in

or maybe the sound is going down the tail shaft, chasing sound is hard at the best of times

I concur. Muchos Gracias Senore. I'll have a play around on the weekend and see how I go. If I get a result I'll let you know!
15th September 2011, 11:22 PM
Sir Roofy

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Originally Posted by White Elephant

I concur. Muchos Gracias Senore. I'll have a play around on the weekend and see how I go. If I get a result I'll let you know!

noworrys mate was just a thought hope it pans out well for you
15th September 2011, 11:27 PM
White Elephant

Quote:

Originally Posted by roofy

noworrys mate was just a thought hope it pans out well for you

As do I! Hopefully nothing too serious, generally squeals and groans aren't, but this one has me perplexed...
16th September 2011, 12:42 AM
patch697

Have you thought to check your park brake drum?

Although you said its coming from the back, noise will travel through the drive train especially in a full chassis.
16th September 2011, 12:48 AM
White Elephant

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Originally Posted by patch697

Have you thought to check your park brake drum?

Although you said its coming from the back, noise will travel through the drive train especially in a full chassis.

I haven't checked it recently, but I did sus it out a few months back before this dilemma. might be worth another look regardless. Cheers.
17th September 2011, 05:51 PM
White Elephant

Okay, so I spent the best part of my Saturday morning with the bus up on the hoist. I dropped the tail shaft off to make sure the uni joint and drive pinion didn't have any play in it, and also to make sure the drive pinion flange seal wasn't leaking(you can do this from inspection only-no need to pull the tail shaft off),as well as making sure the flange itself was done up to FT(I assume some of you understand FT) torque. Check. All is well.

I then ran her in 3rd gear with the rear end lifted(with wheels on)for about 15 minutes to see if I could replicate the noise. However, the noise didn't return. So I took the wheels, rotors and calipers off, deglazed the rotors, and brake pads, cleaned everything up, and on a whim decided to run her in 3rd for a bit with the wheels off before I put it all back together.(At this point I should let you know that the hub seals etc showed no signs of leaking either,usually there would be a build up of cr@p inside the rotors and obvious signs of leaking around the hub)And bam, the noise came back. So after putting the stethoscope all over the place to try and pinpoint the noise, I have come to the conclusion(with agreeance from my mechanic) that it is possible that the actual bearing housing may be worn, and the race is skidding around inside the housing. As posted earlier I have replaced the bearings twice just to be sure it wasn't the bearings.

So, I got jack of it, cos I felt like a beer and watching some footy, so I put everything back together and will further investigate the problem in the next week or so. Will pull the axle out(again)and see if the diagnosis is correct. Will keep you posted! Cheers to Roofy and Patch for the tips, but it is definately something going on in the bearing housing.
17th September 2011, 05:57 PM
patch697

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Originally Posted by White Elephant

Okay, so I spent the best part of my Saturday morning with the bus up on the hoist. I dropped the tail shaft off to make sure the uni joint and drive pinion didn't have any play in it, and also to make sure the drive pinion flange seal wasn't leaking(you can do this from inspection only-no need to pull the tail shaft off),as well as making sure the flange itself was done up to FT(I assume some of you understand FT) torque. Check. All is well.

I then ran her in 3rd gear with the rear end lifted(with wheels on)for about 15 minutes to see if I could replicate the noise. However, the noise didn't return. So I took the wheels, rotors and calipers off, deglazed the rotors, and brake pads, cleaned everything up, and on a whim decided to run her in 3rd for a bit with the wheels off before I put it all back together.(At this point I should let you know that the hub seals etc showed no signs of leaking either,usually there would be a build up of cr@p inside the rotors and obvious signs of leaking around the hub)And bam, the noise came back. So after putting the stethoscope all over the place to try and pinpoint the noise, I have come to the conclusion(with agreeance from my mechanic) that it is possible that the actual bearing housing may be worn, and the race is skidding around inside the housing. As posted earlier I have replaced the bearings twice just to be sure it wasn't the bearings.

So, I got jack of it, cos I felt like a beer and watching some footy, so I put everything back together and will further investigate the problem in the next week or so. Will pull the axle out(again)and see if the diagnosis is correct. Will keep you posted! Cheers to Roofy and Patch for the tips, but it is definately something going on in the bearing housing.

Thanks for the update mate.
17th September 2011, 06:10 PM
White Elephant

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Originally Posted by patch697

Thanks for the update mate.

No probs. It has been an annoyance, and as noted earlier it is sometimes a b!tch to track down and replicate intermittant noise. But I've narrowed it down to the housing now, and unless for some random coincidence, I managed to get 2 full sets of dodgy bearings(highly unlikely) I'm gonna roll with the worn housing theory! I can almost feel the hole being burned in my wallet...unless I can get a good part off a wreck.
17th September 2011, 06:14 PM
Bigrig

Good bit of info mate - look forward to the update once you've had a chance to go over it again. Well done on the diagnosis!!!
17th September 2011, 06:26 PM
White Elephant

P.S. I have to give my mechanic a wrap, he let me use his workshop today at no charge,(I bought him a beer regardless. I have a day job and sometimes CBF working on cars in my garage over the weekend-my other car is a HSV) So if you live in Perth, and want a very good, honest mechanic see Chad at Auto Response in Stratton, www.autoresponse.com.au he does a great job and doesn't charge like a wounded bull. And he's a great bloke to top it all off! Not sure if it's Kosher to plug on here, but regardless he has been very good to me as a Patrol owner!
17th September 2011, 06:33 PM
White Elephant

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Originally Posted by Bigrig

Good bit of info mate - look forward to the update once you've had a chance to go over it again. Well done on the diagnosis!!!

No probs Bigrig, I look forward to the problem being resolved! There's nothing worse that an annoying whine from the one that you love...I'm talking about my Patrol Lads...hahaha! If my missus saw this post I would be in the dog house! Will post an update as soon as I have had a chance to get it sorted. Peace out!
17th September 2011, 07:21 PM
patch697

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Originally Posted by White Elephant

P.S. I have to give my mechanic a wrap, he let me use his workshop today at no charge,(I bought him a beer regardless. I have a day job and sometimes CBF working on cars in my garage over the weekend-my other car is a HSV) So if you live in Perth, and want a very good, honest mechanic see Chad at Auto Response in Stratton, www.autoresponse.com.au he does a great job and doesn't charge like a wounded bull. And he's a great bloke to top it all off! Not sure if it's Kosher to plug on here, but regardless he has been very good to me as a Patrol owner!

No body minds handy bits of info like this mate.

Cheers.
25th May 2012, 04:07 PM
White Elephant

I have finally had this problem fixed! I noticed there are a few other people on the forum that have had similar symptoms but with no result. Turns out is is actually the spacer on the axle itself. All this after having the flippin axles out numerous times, 2 sets of bearings, brake pads, clean ups and whatever else! After our initial investigations and hypothesis, I finally got around to getting it back to my mechanic. He checked everything over again and then noticed that the spacer behind the bearing on tha axle shaft was a little bit worn and was causing it to squeal. He cleaned everything up, whacked some locktite bearing grip on the spacer-and hey presto...no more squeal!
25th May 2012, 04:09 PM
taslucas

Good to hear mate:)

Tap, crackle, pop
25th May 2012, 04:23 PM
White Elephant

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Originally Posted by taslucas

Good to hear mate:)

Tap, crackle, pop

Thanks Lucas, it was more an annoyance than a performance problem...soooo glad it's finally fixed! Have to say a big thanks to my mechanic Chad at Autoresponse in Stratton, it was a bit perplexing at first, but he got to the bottom of it in the end. Also thanks to everyone on the forum who offered information. It definately helped with the process of elimination!