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And something is happening at the Opera house as well.
got a bad feeling about this, been on TV for just over an hour now.
Aw is saying that the opera house is a training exercise.......... Hummmmm
looks like most of Sydney is shut down, air space is still open
Weak dogs! Using unarmed people to prove a stupid point.
The city is going into lockdown. We've just been advised we can't leave the building and this is several streets away.
Hope everybody is ok, well except for the one ass hat that is doing it
ABC news blog is good for live updates! Stay safe everyone!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...ration/5967232
Shoot the f@cker through the window!
They had the red dot on him before when
he was standing in front of a picture of Winnie the pooh
yep sniper the both of them all over and done them, we cannot afford to stuff around with this shit
I hate to be negative but I can't imagine a muslim terrorist coming out with his hands up to be carted off to gaol. It won't end well if they have it their way.
Best to take them out before any harm comes to the innocent people there
Must be horrific for the hostages
NSW police will update at 1.30 pm
stuck in the tractor listening to the ABC giving coverage,,tell us even over here where the cops are positioned...why don't the cops cut everyones communication and stop giving up to date info...
While it's highly unlikely this forum is being monitored you never know where things will spread.
Please show a little caution with comments and if you see something consider if it should be shared.
Meanwhile I'm locked in a building and all I want to do right now is pack the family in the patrol and get out of this shithole city.
J
Unfortunately it's the way the world is going. I think we have been very lucky is aus so far that we haven't had more of this type of situation.
Unfortunately I only think it will happen more often rather then less
Sounds like a good escape plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaught
They are calling it a hostage situation not a terrorist situation,
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Originally Posted by threedogs
Yeah right. and the black flag with white writing they are waving looks like Thomas the Tank flag...LOL
They know exactly what is happening....Media is not helping at all!
Does waving a flag make it a terrorist situation? If it’s some crazy young bloke from the suburbs acting alone & waving a flag would you call it a terrorist incident or a hostage situation. Seems to me that calling it a terrorist incident plays into the hands of terrorists by spreading more fear. Far better to downplay it & try to keep as much ‘community emotion’ out of it by referring to a hostage situation. From my perspective a terrorist incident requires a supporting organisation rather than just statements made overseas encouraging young crazies to act alone. Just my thoughts. Hopefully all can come out of the situation without physical harm. The mental scars are another matter. We as a community need to resist the temptation to fall into the fear & anger trap which gives those who would wish us harm a degree of power over us.
Well said Cuppa.
IMHO, the media should be able to film the incident freely, but keep images of the incident to themselves until it is over so they don't give out any information regarding number of police, their positions etc, to the suspects.
You're assuming there aren't members of the media involved in the incident. That's an unknown, so the authorities have to assume the worst.
Cheers
3 ppl have escaped, not sure if thats a good thing or not
I can't help but feel for the people involved. I was in a nearby building subject to a lock in, never really in any personal danger, and I have to admit I'm a little freaked.
Thankfully I'm on the way home right now. The authorities are managing the situation and working hard to avoid any form of escalation, better to leave it to them IMHO.
"Be alert not alarmed" lol
Put a bullet between his eyes IMHO, make an example of him that we won't take any shit like this.
Terrorist or not!
If a dog runs at someone and inflicts fear upon that person even without touching the person that is considered a dog attack by council. I know as our dogs have mug shots with bris city council from this.
So can't understand why would a looser with a gun holding people against there will and at gun point holding Isis flags up with or without support of an organisation is not extreme enough to call terrorism?
And don't think we don't have these crazies young and old over here, last I herd there were over 60 aust citizens fighting overseas for crazies, and some unknown to the aust government getting handouts supporting them doing it.
Just a point mate, it's not an ISIS flag.
No but its linked to Jabhat al-Nusra, commonly known as Al Qaeda in Iraq which is also indirectly linked to ISISQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish
It's also linked to the Saudi flag, and a number of others which have no connection to anything threatening to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nisshead
the text is an Arabic proclomation of faith(similar to the first commandment in Christianity), and the black flag is a common symbol throughout the history of islam.
There is a long history of historical images/slogans being subverted and used in contradiction to their original purpose across many religions(e.g. swastika)
I reckon we all need to hold fire on shouting "terrorist"until this thing is over and we can find out wtf is going on.
The cops are treating it like a regular hostage situation with an armed nutjob, so until they say different, I reckon thats how we should treat it/
Just my opinion though
Amen!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
5 ppl have now escaped, What Irish says is correct with what they are saying on TV.
something along the lines of Allah is the true god and Muhamud is his follower
I'm sure they have it under control somewhat but Unfortunately the clips on the TV keep showing footage of one police officer waving a pistol hiding behind his ballistic shield pushing another police officer potentially out into the line of fire while near tripping over his own feet. Basically looks like its his first day on the job lol. The media could at least show more footage that's somewhat more professional and not make the Australian police look like amateurs to the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agronaught
Fingers x it is dealt with swiftly with no casualties bar the perps
Police are looking after this "hostage" situation,
it would be entirely different if the Armed forces were called in
Ohh he's no terrorist then lol he's just an Islamic extremist, and when he's beheading any of the "hostages" yelling Allah and flying a faith flag maybe it might get upgraded to terrorism? But only to be degraded to a hostage situation because he's only an individual and not got backing from an abroad terrorism organisation.
Bring back the old days with shoot first questions later.
Once you take away the rights of another person to go about their daily lives, you lose all your rights. This ass has no rights, stop pissing around with him and send a very clear message we don't accept this crap in our free land. This is Australia, if you don't like the way we live here you are welcome to leave.
At this point he's probably an isolated nutter, we've had them before and probably will again. Only time will tell.
Never said he wasn't mate, but the fact that it's being treated as a hostage situation by the police and not an act of terrorism, kind of points to it being just one mentally imbalanced d**khead looking for an excuse as opposed to a wider plot/conspiracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
Like I said, I'll be reserving judgement on it 'til all the facts come out.
I also agree that he should probably receive a 180gn migraine to end all of this quickly, but it is what it is, cops are probably trying to end this without any uneccessary casualties.
I don’t think you get what I was saying. Somewhere in the world there will be people (generous description) rubbing their hands with glee because someone believes in their poisonous proclamations. Why? Because the believers actions feeds into the western fear & loathing of Islam, it gives their enemies reason to point the finger, without enemies they are nothing. By encouraging us to become their enemy they are calling the shots. Folk will have their own beliefs but for my part I have no intention of allowing anyone to push me around regardless of their belief system or religion. I refuse to make blind anti islamic statements just because I am upset about the actions of a few whether they be terrorists or madmen, or both. What is happening in Sydney is plain wrong, it understandably angers & upsets others as well as me, but some of the responses show similar mindsets to those they condemn. People are people throughout the world...... please let’s not let this or any similar incident become a reason for justifying hatred & stereotyping whole religions, countries, or races.Quote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
I may be wasting my breath & you may not agree with me but I am prone to saying what I think, particularly to friends. We are all in agreement that what is going on is awful & should not be happening, I’m just trying to make the point that some ways of viewing it result in greater likelihood of these sort of things snowballing. We don’t want martyrs, & we need to remember that violence begets violence. Who started it is of little consequence once deaths have occurred.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. I would hate to think these guys are our supreme police forceQuote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
I don't give a rat's what he is, who he is, what he might represent. He has removed the liberty of free and innocent civilians. He has no longer got any rights himself. The authorities / medicos want him alive to see how he ticks, but at what cost? All day to make a point damaging innocent civilians, no excusable. Be he from any nation, faith whatever, rid that cafe of the threat asap.