Latest LED light bar news from Vic Roads:

Latest LED light bar news from Vic Roads:

LED light bars are becoming an increasingly common aftermarket accessory fitment and are often mounted vehicle roofs or bull bars.

LED light bars are fitted to the front of vehicles to better illuminate the road in front of the vehicle. They act as a supplement to the vehicle’s main beam (high beam) lamps.

Under the requirements of Australia Design Rule (ADR) 13/00, additional lamps must be fitted in pairs in accordance with the requirements for driving lamps.

However, the Commonwealth has commenced issuing approvals for the certification of new vehicles fitted with LED light bars that are not fitted in pairs in order to respond to this new technology.

In addition, an amendment to Australian Design Rule 13/00 is expected to be published in January 2015 which will formally clarify these arrangements.

Certain constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars. These include that the LED light bars must be fitted symmetrically to the vehicle and must not exceed a total of four lamps.

As Victoria’s in-service vehicle standards mirror the Australian Design Rule requirements this decision means that LED light bars can be fitted to vehicles in Victoria. Constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars, so any LED light bar that is fitted must be installed in alignment with the following requirements:
The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle.
If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle, symmetrically about the centre.
A maximum of four driving lamps (including LED light bars) can be fitted to a vehicle in addition to the vehicle’s main beam headlamps.
The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection.
The lamp/s must only come on when the main-beam (high beam) headlamps are used, and must automatically turn off when the main-beam headlamps are turned off.
The lamps must not obstruct the driver’s view of the road.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...driving-lights

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Thanks I was wondering were vic roads were at as other states had moved forward.

So my roof mounted led bar is okay now? It does not cause me any discomfort or distraction.

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Originally Posted by Winnie

So my roof mounted led bar is okay now? It does not cause me any discomfort or distraction.

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Thats how I read it

Interesting. They did not mention the Roof mounting? The statement about obscuring the drivers view would pin any LED mounted above the top rail of the bull bar and above the line of the bonnet. But no mention of Roof lights.

Re obstructing view The rule is seeing the road 11 m in front the car here in qld and my bar on on top my bull bar lets me see under that

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Originally Posted by megatexture

Re obstructing view The rule is seeing the road 11 m in front the car here in qld and my bar on on top my bull bar lets me see under that

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https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/sear...ld%20of%20view

Interesting.
In SA it states all driving lights must be forward of the driver. But as that's a variable they deem the dash as the cut off point.
So in SA it's technically illegal.
But I read your Vic regs that it's fine to roof mount

So it's the same in vic then

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Originally Posted by janderson

Latest LED light bar news from Vic Roads:

LED light bars are becoming an increasingly common aftermarket accessory fitment and are often mounted vehicle roofs or bull bars.

LED light bars are fitted to the front of vehicles to better illuminate the road in front of the vehicle. They act as a supplement to the vehicle’s main beam (high beam) lamps.

Under the requirements of Australia Design Rule (ADR) 13/00, additional lamps must be fitted in pairs in accordance with the requirements for driving lamps.

However, the Commonwealth has commenced issuing approvals for the certification of new vehicles fitted with LED light bars that are not fitted in pairs in order to respond to this new technology.

In addition, an amendment to Australian Design Rule 13/00 is expected to be published in January 2015 which will formally clarify these arrangements.

Certain constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars. These include that the LED light bars must be fitted symmetrically to the vehicle and must not exceed a total of four lamps.

As Victoria’s in-service vehicle standards mirror the Australian Design Rule requirements this decision means that LED light bars can be fitted to vehicles in Victoria. Constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars, so any LED light bar that is fitted must be installed in alignment with the following requirements:
The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle.
If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle, symmetrically about the centre.
A maximum of four driving lamps (including LED light bars) can be fitted to a vehicle in addition to the vehicle’s main beam headlamps.
The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection.
The lamp/s must only come on when the main-beam (high beam) headlamps are used, and must automatically turn off when the main-beam headlamps are turned off.
The lamps must not obstruct the driver’s view of the road.

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This I would assume would include light bars. So then this means roof mounted is a no go. But one could argue using the requirement above the highlighted cooment, saying the roof is as far as possible I can mount the light bar...

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Originally Posted by mudski

This I would assume would include light bars. So then this means roof mounted is a no go. But one could argue using the requirement above the highlighted cooment, saying the roof is as far as possible I can mount the light bar...

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I would not read that bold section as meaning Roof Lights were covered there at all mate, far too ambiguous. I have read previously where it stated directly that Roof Lights were illegal and should be covered. No light above the bonnet or Eye height of the driver as there was a risk of roof lights shining over a rise in the road that the driver can not see over and blinding on coming. It was very specific, if I tried hard enough I could find the reference I reckon.

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Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD

I would not read that bold section as meaning Roof Lights were covered there at all mate, far too ambiguous. I have read previously where it stated directly that Roof Lights were illegal and should be covered. No light above the bonnet or Eye height of the driver as there was a risk of roof lights shining over a rise in the road that the driver can not see over and blinding on coming. It was very specific, if I tried hard enough I could find the reference I reckon.

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I would not either. They are referring to lamps, which would include lightbars. Not a "roof light" as such. And if it not in a pair, they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle... So if you had two smaller lightbars you could fit it on the roof, side by side, as it would be a pair. So even if you had one Narva Bull Lamp and fitted to the roof, you cannot. As its not in a pair. Fit two up there, and look like a real cock, yeah maybe.
Thats how I read it anyway.

I would take this as referring to roof, how else could the driver see a reflection.
"The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection."
As for the problem at a crest of the road with roof mounted LED blinding on coming traffic my HID driving lights would be worst. We only have to dip our lights at 200 meters. (I get flashed from other cars that are 2 to 3 Km away) LED light bar do not have the range of HID.

so another topic that is going to go on merely due to interpretation...lol


Certain constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars. These include that the LED light bars must be fitted symmetrically to the vehicle and must not exceed a total of four lamps.

"As Victoria’s in-service vehicle standards mirror the Australian Design Rule requirements this decision means that LED light bars can be fitted to vehicles in Victoria. Constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars, so any LED light bar that is fitted must be installed in alignment with the following requirements:"

"The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle. .. ("as far as is possible" !)


If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle, symmetrically about the centre. ("must be fitted to the front of the vehicle" )

A maximum of four driving lamps (including LED light bars) can be fitted to a vehicle in addition to the vehicle’s main beam headlamps.

The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection." ( you could play with this one forever but it will come down to their interpretation of it !...I would think they mean above the bonnet line on the front and potentially causing any reflection on the bonnet from above)

To me...it seems that you can not at this stage , have them on the roof....but who really cares ?

It says they must be fitted in pairs or symmetrically located about the centre.

My roof light is mounted over the B Pillar and in no way reflects off the bonnet, if it was over the A pillar then almost certainly it would though.

Interesting debate, will be good to see some adoption, the Police in Victoria are hitting the bloody hard at the moment.

When SA passed a trial law for the light bars it was clear no one new about it.
My dad was about to pay a defect off for his light bar until I sent him a copy of what was posted here.
He submitted the copy, they said sorry and removed the canary.

Anyway. I guess it's the same as always. Push the boundaries as hard as your personally willing to go

I folded a piece of checker plate [alloy] and that clips over the bar in the middle.
I read it as if not mounted in pairs,, mount it as close to the centre as you can,
which I [we] have done

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Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD

Interesting. They did not mention the Roof mounting? The statement about obscuring the drivers view would pin any LED mounted above the top rail of the bull bar and above the line of the bonnet. But no mention of Roof lights.

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It would seem that they can be mounted on the roof.

Be worth printing that out and keeping it in the glovebox

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Originally Posted by Drewboyaus

Be worth printing that out and keeping it in the glovebox

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Bloody Oath, I carry a book printouts of regs

Yeah good stuff a ruling finally, does that mean
I can remove the centre plate and make it one light

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Originally Posted by janderson

<img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52816"/>

It would seem that they can be mounted on the rook.

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Thanks for that, just saved that to my phone

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Originally Posted by janderson

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...id=52816&stc=1


It would seem that they can be mounted on the roof.

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Thanks for that. Would be good to know, where in their rules it states this though as I can see some on the boys in blue thinking otherwise. Becasue its obvious their latest set of rules can be read differently.

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Originally Posted by mudski

Thanks for that. Would be good to know, where in their rules it states this though as I can see some on the boys in blue thinking otherwise. Becasue its obvious their latest set of rules can be read differently.

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This is an official answer from an officer of VICRoads...it is relevant to all of us.