Your Vote... Buying tomorrow - 3.0L Di or 3.0L CRD ??

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7th January 2011, 02:05 AM
MozzieWA

Your Vote... Buying tomorrow - 3.0L Di or 3.0L CRD ??

Hi

About to buy my first Patrol.... (hopefully tomorrow - Fri).

Your vote (and reason), will really help as I'm stuck between a choice of 2 vehicles!... and I think it's down to the two engines!?!?! What would you choose??

2006 DX - 141k with the 3.0L Di

2007 DX - 115k with the 3.0L Common Rail

The sweetener.... the 2006 is $5,000 cheaper - so more $$ to spend on new tyres, roobar, snorkel etc :)

Both ex-Avis rentals, regular service, usual checks - no smoke, clean chassis blah, blah....

Is the common rail & less kms worth the $5k extra???? :confused: What would you choose? & Why?

Vote Now :)
Thanks
Mark
7th January 2011, 05:27 AM
my third 256

new tecnoligy in the 2007 a lot of the so called problems have been ironed out in the crds plus run alot quieter (jmho)
7th January 2011, 06:23 AM
Maxhead

Agree with above, go the CRD. A lot better turbo/boost control then previous models. a bit getting used to but better IMO
7th January 2011, 12:16 PM
the evil twin

No brainer... get the CRD for sure

The $5,000 difference would almost be depreciation over the extra year and you get a later model with a few annoying things like cracking Intercoolers etc sorted out in the '07 CRD over the earlier Di
7th January 2011, 01:49 PM
Woof

Yep CRD for sure.
7th January 2011, 06:18 PM
MudRunnerTD

The CDR here too. No Question. YOu will still have some New Car warranty left on that too and the opportunity to extend that warranty at the point of sale too.

It's a No Brainer mate.
7th January 2011, 06:25 PM
Woof

Negotiate, negotiate, if they won't drop the price then ask for some free stuff to sweeten the deal, there's no harm in asking.
7th January 2011, 07:22 PM
the evil twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD

...YOu will still have some New Car warranty left on that too and the opportunity to extend that warranty at the point of sale too...

How do you figure that ? It has over 100,000 K's on the clock.

I'd almost bet it is past 3 years old as well but doesn't matter the new car warranty will be expired because of the K's
8th January 2011, 03:10 AM
MozzieWA

Hi All
Thanks for the overwhelming vote for the CRD.

I gave it a full check-up today. No big concerns... except, wheel alignment (tracking to the left) and a slight juddering of the steering wheel at 90-110kph. (I'm putting that down to wheel balance... tell me if you think I'm wrong).

There was a small puff of greyish/white smoke (not black) just at start-up (like 3 secs). Then nothing at revs. Not thinking head gasket, as oil looks fine on stick & nothing showing in filler cap. :confused:

Once they sort the wheels....(& I get a smooth ride), I plan to part with some cash $$... & join the Trol Club!

Thanks again 4 your help.
8th January 2011, 11:27 AM
GUte

Nice choice mozzie, I would of said the crd also.
Patrols are very well known for having the death wobbles, mine has them around 95kmh but they're not too bad. I will wait till I get new tyres and rims on before I look deeper, it could be any number of bushes, king pin spacers/bearings, wheel bearings etc
8th January 2011, 01:14 PM
the evil twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by MozzieWA

Hi All
I gave it a full check-up today. No big concerns... except, wheel alignment (tracking to the left) and a slight juddering of the steering wheel at 90-110kph. (I'm putting that down to wheel balance... tell me if you think I'm wrong).

There was a small puff of greyish/white smoke (not black) just at start-up (like 3 secs). Then nothing at revs. Not thinking head gasket, as oil looks fine on stick & nothing showing in filler cap. :confused:

Wheel wobble and pulling left is a Patrol trait... sometimes just a tyre rotation will fix the wobble it but can be many things. Pulling left either get used to it or spend bigger dollars on offset swivel hub bearings

Get an 'inspection opinion' on that smoke tho, cobber...
puff of black on start up = no problems just a bit of extra diesel
puff of white is not so good... thats oil getting into there somehow
8th January 2011, 05:10 PM
MudRunnerTD

Quote:

Originally Posted by the evil twin

How do you figure that ? It has over 100,000 K's on the clock.

I'd almost bet it is past 3 years old as well but doesn't matter the new car warranty will be expired because of the K's

Yep....Must have Figured that wrong :1087: should have written "You MIGHT STILL have some new car warranty" would have been better advice but your right mate, 100,000ks would have been the warranty i would have thought. :1062:
8th January 2011, 05:21 PM
MudRunnerTD

Quote:

Originally Posted by MozzieWA

No big concerns... except, wheel alignment (tracking to the left) and a slight juddering of the steering wheel at 90-110kph. (I'm putting that down to wheel balance... tell me if you think I'm wrong).

This is a really common fault on the GUs mate, I would be really pushing the point with the dealer though (play dumb a little though until it is yours) and get them to sort it out while you still have statutory Warranty. Get them to acknowledge the problem and then push them hard for a fix.

A re balance is unlikely to fix it, a rotation might alter it. I had my swivel hubs rebuilt chasing this under statutory warranty with no joy, I got new tyres fitted at their expense too and it kind of went away ( i could just feel it but nothing like it had been) This lasted just long enough to exit the warranty then the front left tyre scrubbed out and it all went to crap. Don't give up on the chase unless it is perfect mate cause once you do the problem becomes yours.

I ended up fitting an offset king pin bearing race to the left side with a perfect result. There are a couple of threads around on this fix but here is a link to what i used.

http://safetsteer.com.au/portal/content/view/192/338/

It cost me less than $400 fitted and changed the Patrol forever. Highly recommend.

As Evil Twin said, get you smoke evaluated before any decisions are made though and good luck.

Cheers MR
8th January 2011, 07:47 PM
the evil twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD

Yep....Must have Figured that wrong :1087: should have written "You MIGHT STILL have some new car warranty" would have been better advice but your right mate, 100,000ks would have been the warranty i would have thought. :1062:

No wuckers... Hey, i see by your next post that you are someone who put in offset swivel hub bearings.

Did you do it yourself ? ...and... How noticeable is it (if at all) on the traks etc where there is no camber? :clapping:

PS sorry for the 'jack but it is sorta still on subject :hijacked:
9th January 2011, 12:55 PM
Skegbudley

Quote:

Originally Posted by MozzieWA

Hi All
Thanks for the overwhelming vote for the CRD.

I gave it a full check-up today. No big concerns... except, wheel alignment (tracking to the left) and a slight juddering of the steering wheel at 90-110kph. (I'm putting that down to wheel balance... tell me if you think I'm wrong).

There was a small puff of greyish/white smoke (not black) just at start-up (like 3 secs). Then nothing at revs. Not thinking head gasket, as oil looks fine on stick & nothing showing in filler cap. :confused:

Once they sort the wheels....(& I get a smooth ride), I plan to part with some cash $$... & join the Trol Club!

Thanks again 4 your help.

If it blows any smoke at all then do not buy it.
The Di & the CRD should never blow any smoke at all.
9th January 2011, 01:52 PM
Bigrig

Quote:

Originally Posted by MozzieWA

Hi All
Thanks for the overwhelming vote for the CRD.

I gave it a full check-up today. No big concerns... except, wheel alignment (tracking to the left) and a slight juddering of the steering wheel at 90-110kph. (I'm putting that down to wheel balance... tell me if you think I'm wrong).

There was a small puff of greyish/white smoke (not black) just at start-up (like 3 secs). Then nothing at revs. Not thinking head gasket, as oil looks fine on stick & nothing showing in filler cap. :confused:

Once they sort the wheels....(& I get a smooth ride), I plan to part with some cash $$... & join the Trol Club!

Thanks again 4 your help.

Top stuff mate!!! You'll never look back ..
18th January 2011, 08:56 PM
raneydelrey

HI whats the difference between the zd30 crdi and the zd30 mecha type?
19th January 2011, 05:55 AM
Maxhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by raneydelrey

HI whats the difference between the zd30 crdi and the zd30 mecha type?

from another thread...thanks to ET

Quote:

Originally Posted by the evil twin

CRD is "common rail" IE the fuel is delivered in a common rail connecting all 4 injectors and teh injectors are fully electronically controlled. It is still a direct injection tho IE fuel mist directly into the chamber. The posts in question are referring to the MY07 and later ZD30 CRD engines

Non CRD has a seperate fuel feed to each injector and the pump pressure controls the injection

Typically CRD's operate at significantly higher fuel pressures giving better atomisation and burn patterns etc etc. Their injectors also cost a small fortune or your first born

As a point of interest most of the "cheap chips" and some of the expensive ones (rip offs) are simply variable resistors that up the fuel pressures so you get more bang. The expensive legitimate chips will use multiple inputs to remap the injection signals from the ECU
29th January 2011, 11:52 PM
wogboy

HI Mozzie
How much are your paying for yours as I paid 28K for 2008 dx with 70 000 kms
29th January 2011, 11:56 PM
Sir Roofy

Quote:

Originally Posted by wogboy

hi mozzie
how much are your paying for yours as i paid 28k for 2008 dx with 70 000 kms

ouch bet that hurt the account a bit
13th February 2011, 12:57 PM
wogboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by roofy

ouch bet that hurt the account a bit

It hurts but not that much as I am happy now.
14th February 2011, 02:44 AM
my third 256

hey mozziewa have you made the purchace yet we would all like to know
stephen
14th February 2011, 05:45 PM
wogboy

After all those "expert" advices, he is probably looking for yota now.
14th February 2011, 06:25 PM
patch697

Quote:

Originally Posted by wogboy

After all those "expert" advices, he is probably looking for yota now.

What "expert" advisers where you referring to?
14th February 2011, 08:13 PM
the evil twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by wogboy

After all those "expert" advices, he is probably looking for yota now.

??? (in the style of Pauline Hanson) Please Explain?
14th February 2011, 09:08 PM
Woof

I think that he may have been jesting...............I know that does not happen very often herehttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/
14th February 2011, 11:30 PM
the evil twin

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dogman

I think that he may have been jesting...............I know that does not happen very often herehttp://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/

Hiya Doggydude soon to be Mr Wooley,

Jesting... thats when two blokes get a 1/2 a tree trunk each, wrap 'emselves in empty beer cans, put a mop bucket on their head and climb on a horse isn't it ?
14th February 2011, 11:33 PM
patch697

Quote:

Originally Posted by the evil twin

Hiya Doggydude soon to be Mr Wooley,

Jesting... thats when two blokes get a 1/2 a tree trunk each, wrap 'emselves in empty beer cans, put a mop bucket on their head and climb on a horse isn't it ?

ROFLMAO............. Post of the day right there ppl...lolol