Just heard from a mate who's telling me Tigers got banned from the Melbourne 4x4 show!!!
I'm not surprised but who knows the whole story...I don't know the details..Is it because of their crap quality or them undercutting everyone???
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Just heard from a mate who's telling me Tigers got banned from the Melbourne 4x4 show!!!
I'm not surprised but who knows the whole story...I don't know the details..Is it because of their crap quality or them undercutting everyone???
Thats interesting. Any more details?
I cant imagine that is true!!! that would be brave of them to do a show without 4wdAction support!
Maybe! That would be Huge!
Plenty of other sponsors very unhappy with them though! the likes of ARB and alike very much do not like them.
I'll make a few calls tomorrow and see what I can find out.
All I know is alot of ppl aren't happy with 4wd action and their association with Tigerz
That would be huge.. and off true it needs to be well publicized so all the young up and comers don't get caught out..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Roo systems are banned too. Allegedly their low prices have upset the competitors. If that's true (Roothy has made a video to that effect) it's wrong. We need compitetion in the 4WD market as a lot of gear is over priced. In response to the ban, both companies have lowered the prices even more!
Can't find anything on Google at all...
Yeah I agree prices have to come down but the quality needs to be good which is not currently the case with Tigerz
The problem with what they are doing is not the cheap pricing. Its the fact that they have taken the products of all the big names, of all the previous long term industry supporter and legitimate advertisers of their magazines and taken them to China and DIRECTLY COPIED the product and imported it with their own sticker.Quote:
Originally Posted by NP99
ARB were basically told to get over it! we copied your bar, anyone can make a bar. and here is ours! its the same as yours! (except its made of thinner steel using cheaper Chinese labour)
I agree that the price of many items is over the top but often you pay for the Development of the item too and for keeping those jobs in Australia. I am not a Charity and i am guilty of buying from Overseas. But what Tigerz and 4x4action have done to the industry is a disgrace!
Rape and Pillage! Call Michelle Sacs or Powerful, or ARB, or Kaymar, or TJM, orBlack Widow.
The list is LONG!
I hate how everything comes down to price these days. Its the same old story: Is it cr@p because its cheap or alternatively, is it a rip off beacuase it costs more?
I just did a litlle search and got a few interesting threads pop up from the 4wd Action forum. Theres one that questions if Roo system winches are rebranded tigerz. Now which winch should have the 4wda loyalty? lol
The roof racks look similar between the two companies as well! About $200 is the only difference.
It's actually EMG. EMG own 4wd action and its asscociates (tigerz, roo systems etc)
OK it is TRUE!!
As NP99 states Roothy has a Video out advising of the Ban. I have not watched it and dont use their Forum at all but apparently is is all over it over their.
They state somewhere that it is Un Australian for them to be treated this way! What is Un-Australian is to cut the grass of every Australian Manufacturer and strip the industry to the bone in favour of Cheap Chinese product.
Cant wait for the Melbourne 4x4 Show now!! Might even Go!!
Here is a Link to Roothys video if anyone is interested.
Roothy is Sad!!
These bigger companies are a little guilty of it too only a little though. They do purchase and resell from certain suppliers. For example I am look for an awning. I went to TJM, ARB and ironman. All the awnings were absolutely identical and I mean identical down to the smallest detail. The only difference the price and surprisingly TJM was the dearest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Wow!!! There is 37seconds i wont get back!!
Now i am ANGRY!!!
FKN Roothy calling them getting banned Un-Australian!!!! Nothing about TigerzII is Australian Nothing! Goodbye Leeches
I'm glad you guys have bought all this up.. its the same with coles wollies etc.. jump on there site and see what they own...
We had another local dairy farmer shut the gates this week down here... All because of this raise economy and $1/L milk.. its only like 20c more a liter to buy the real stuff..
From the same place i hear you say.. yep you right.. but I buy milk that is milk.. not 40% water..
And I buy my meat from a butcher.. when I buy a kilo of beef, I'm getting a kilo of beef.. not 700grms pumped up with water to 1 kilo... So in the end we buy less meat and end up with the same on the plate...
It f-ing grinds my gears.. and you guys will hopefully see a big change with westy's accessories in the coming months.. I'm making a stand.. and I hope you guys do to..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Agree that competition is needed , but it has to like for like in quality , why hasn't someone done a crash or vibration test on bars for all suppliers , same with winches , put them on a test rig load them up and run them over and over to see who dies first , an honest comparison including back up service . and if it was done by a major market player all the better ,this would clear the air , a well informed customer is a repeat customer , I choose the name brand on major items bars etc purely on their back up service and RND and that they comply to ADR in the event of a major accident . just my 2 bobs worth
Steve
I really dont know what to say about all of this, its inbarrasing! !!!
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Yep. Supercheap is the same. It owns BCF, rays outdoors, wanderer etc too.
Apart from roothy's company man rant its EMG to blame at the top, then these other schemers who have sold out to them(tigerz , roo systems etc)
Darren I'm with you 100% mate. It is wrong what they have done and this is why I haven't bought the mag in over 12 months.
Just watched the vid thanks for the link Darren.
I am really starting to dislike roothy's condescending and smug attitude. While searching, i found my way to his face book page and was astounded by the amount of cr@p he spews out!!!
I'm not sure how vendors and shows work with hiring space at the shows, but I guess if I was running a show, I'd pick and choose what vendors I wanted at my show. That's not banning anyone that's me picking vendors that will turn turnstiles!
Rays Outdoors, BCF, Supercheap and Annaconda are all owned by the one company.......mostly Chinese crap at over inflated prices!!!
I'm not sure how vendors and shows work with hiring space at the shows, but I guess if I was running a show, I'd pick and choose what vendors I wanted at my show. That's not banning anyone that's me picking vendors that will turn turnstiles!
Rays Outdoors, BCF, Supercheap and Annaconda are all owned by the one company.......mostly Chinese crap at over inflated prices!!!
There is a certain magazine that does heaps of comparisons. Unfortunately the long suspected favourtism has become blatantly obvious. I stopped buying that magazine and any from the same publisher 18 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaddy
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Originally Posted by gaddy
LMFAO!!!!
Thanks Steve,
I reckon we should have an Industry Magazine that provides it readers with Real World Product testing and Real World comparos without a Commercial Interest in the Outcome!!! Great Idea.
Im sure i used to subscribe to a Magazine that did that!!!
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Originally Posted by taslucas
Who is this "roothy" and what does he do anyway ?
I bought that 4x4 monthly I think it's called and liked it...... not owned by emg.
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Up until recently all straps were made by one victorian company , now I think they are made overseas.
I've been receiving emails for about a year and a bit about 4wd action under cutting everyone, Now all
the cards are on the table its going to get very interesting indeed.This might shake up the industry. Roothy might realise the 4wd world does not revolve around him.
Sad but true John You have my details
@ 4OFF Roothy is a guy that'll show you 101 ways to cut up a BJ47 into the ultimate tourer
This is great! I love it! The show will get a LOT of support now.
tough one this. Maybe if the bigger 4x4 franchises didn't have the ridiculous mark up on their prices, people would choose to buy there instead of the alternatives.
There are a lot of products, that are identical to the big name brands, (some might even say out of the same factory), that are HALF the price of the brand names.
just sayin
ozz
I luv the idea of just 4x4 product testing,
But isnt that what the Mags do now,
Imagine a 4x4 mag that did Product testing and Comparos where Tigerz gear actually had to stack up against the named brands! WOW!
But when you put those products side by side there are a lot of differences. Mostly quality.. ie the stiching on a bull bar.. arb may do 50mm welds every 100, imports do 30mm every 200.. save time, money but is a lot weaker..
Also the arb have put in the hours into r&d, testing and passing aus regs.. the coppies do just that.. copy it.. so they have less to recoup so don't charge as much..
I argree that the prices are high, but once you take all the costs and stuff out there ain't much left..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
Im pretty sure 4wd Monthly is owned by emg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie
I'm costing 4x4 action money. Me mother works in a news agency.. anything that doesn't get sold I get.. so I get a free laugh really..
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
That would be the best outcome and if the name brands are confidient they should do it and if the imports are confidant they should. we are in the age of technology dosnt need to be in a mag for people to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Steve
It is called 4x4 Australia and it is owned by ACP.... and there is no advertising by any of the cheap brands!!!!
Banning them has probably provided cheap/free advertising and generated more $$$$
Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Newsagents will soon be selling lotto only!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yendor
I reckon the only reason people buy 4WD Action is for the DVD. My mate buys it every month and I watch it at his place. Not too bad when you skip all the ads.
Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.
The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!
I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!
Rant over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,