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There will never be enough education on toe ball recoveries.
Very very true mate, Unfortunately there will always be people that think they know better. Whats even worse is manufactures who make a product so called "recovery loop"which looks strong enough to recover from and people make the honest mistake of recovering from it. I'm talking about the loop that is held with 4 bolts. Shame shame as they know the dangers of recovering from that loop point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
It's not that people think they know better. The fact is that they don't know the danger. I think it's great that forums like this and us concerned 4wders are trying to get the word out. I think the vast majority, once told of the danger will learn and it is only a tiny percent of people that will know the danger but snatch off them anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nisshead
Also, it's all about th force required to recover the vehicle. As said before, if it's bogged to the belly in thick mud fully loaded with a trailer on a hill it's gonna take a hell of a lot more force to pull out and so much so that you may even snatch the whole tow bar assembly out where as if it's simply stuck on a little bit of wet grass then the rear hoop or front factory hook will probably be fine to give a gentle pull.
At the end of the day though it's always best to err on the side of caution and be safe.
At the least, get a hitch receiver there only 40 odd bucks!
FanTapstic!
Thats why its important to join a club or attend an off road driver training course.
Bad habits are passed on. Plenty of ppl swear by that loop and they are wrong.
and sadly the message is not getting through, never use a towball for recovery, ever
Can we just take the tow ball out and use the pin to hold a snatch strap in?
Yes mate that is acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel-Mate
If you're happy and you know it tap a post!
I think that point is one that should be highlighted the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping
Also:
The young guy that got killed not far from here a few years ago was smashed through the head by not only the towball but the the towball sleeve as well. In that circumstance it would have made NO DIFFERENCE if they had a shackle instead of the towball. Another problem was highlighted there and it was what a lot of people have already said; Maintain your recovery points. The reason the whole sleeve assembly came out was because someone had welded it in instead of using the pin. Salt water had been trapped inside and after years had corroded the sleeve so much that in some points the wall thickness was down to 2mm and therefore it snapped easily. So its not as simple as "use a shackle". As scotty said above there needs to be common sense, good maintenance of gear and an ability to comprehend the forces involved in the recovery.
We had to use just the pin on a recovery and it was so bent after the recovery if it had been a Chinese pin it would have snapped for sure.... I would never like to rely on one again and prefer just to have the right gear!!!
Very good points, but a picture is better than a thousand words.
Post a pic of your recovery points please.
Do a search mate this subject has been done over again a million times!!!!!!!!!!
Should have said cheap quality pin..... did not mean to offend you Scotty!!!!! he he!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping
Only use graded Zinc plated bolts on your 4x4. Even towbar bolts will require inspection at least once everyyear or so
They will rip off. think of the amount of times the rear of 4x4s sit in bog holes stuck.
Bolts on my last 4x4 as fitted from car yard included two coach bolts
No short cuts on safety,
It funny as I have been on two camps on this but it is as Scotty says.. Honda set up in China years ago with all there tooling and quality control but with cheaper labor and unbelievably they passed on the savings to the customer.. I worked in a motorcycle wreckers and we were quoting prices only to be told by costumers that the new part was cheaper than the 2nd hand price we were quoting??
We would ring Honda to get a price and were gob smacked as Honda were one of the expensive ones and could not believe they passed on the saving......
Then the story of me knocking myself out with a vice I bought made in China that broke in half and gave me a bunch of stitches in my face.......... faarrkk that hurt!!!
Hahahaha! Pics! We need pics!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie
FanTapstic!
Soooo. ....... Who actually makes /sells recovery points, that are actually made to snatch from. I see a lot to tow from, but not snatch?
Ozz
The other aspect is that the NISSAN GQ Patrol owners manaul advise's to use the "recovery loop" for recoverys.
Does this leave nissan open for a law case if someone is hurt using the "recovery loop" - tie down point?
Why is that? Not questioning the statement, just interested in understanding why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Southern Camping
Cuppa
We all complained about made in Japan once.......today it's a mark of quality
I have seen blokes use a snatch strap on a towball before. I said to them that you are not supposed to do that; it is not safe. The reply "she will be rite." They got the 4wd out OK but sometimes She's Not Rite. I have seen the same attitude to safety in the workplace. It doesn't matter how much you drum safety into some people they think that bad things only happen to other people. Some people cannot be told; they think they know better. Just look at the way people drive on the fwy in Melb. Every time I go there I see cars speeding up the emergency stopping lane just to save a few minutes.