buck loads of questions...

why are the patrols simply the best off road vehicle?
what sort of accessories are the best for patrols and why?
what cind off accessories is a must and whad kind of accessories can you almost only get in austrailia?
and whats roughly the price for the accessories?
are there any other good quality 4x4 accessories pruducers in austrailia apart from abr, tjm, Ironmanand and safari snorkels that are worh a look or for that matter anywhere in the world?
which manufactor of these above is the best?
those of you having experiense with tjm and ironman how good are their products?
whats the best suspension for patrols depending on models since they dont weigh the same?

those are all i can think of for now. just like to get some of your oppinions since they probaly vary a bit from us here in iceland.

Why are the patrols simply the best off road vehicle? Because of their strong driveline and chassis, they are cheap to buy and are so well supported by the aftermarket industry.

What sort of accessories are the best for patrols and why? That all depends on what you want to use the vehicle for, but generally lift, lockers, tyres, and bar work here in Australia. That may not suit you over in Iceland, just as "Arctic trucks" don't suit Australian conditions.

What kind off accessories is a must and what kind of accessories can you almost only get in Australia? As above lift, lockers, tyres and bar work. Most of our accessories can be purchased overseas as far as I know, but some of our tube bars and Kaymar style rear bars may be a bit unique. Hot water shower systems, cargo drawers, super flex front control arms are a few more, but I've never travelled much overseas so I don't know what is available

Whats roughly the price for the accessories? Varies widely depending on the accessory.

Are there any other good quality 4x4 accessories producers in Australia apart from ARB, TJM, Ironman and and safari snorkels that are worth a look or for that matter anywhere in the world? Superior engineering produce first class under body parts like upgraded suspension and steering arms etc. Millweld make good tube bars.

Which manufacture of these above is the best? As above

Those of you having experience with TJM and Ironman how good are their products? Both are good quality, TJM probably has a slight edge over Ironman for quality.

Whats the best suspension for patrols depending on models since they don't weigh the same? Suspension is very specific to the individual, what suits my needs may not suit your needs. Springs especially need to be selected to suit your vehicle weight and how you plan to use your vehicle. Any of the well known brands for springs and shocks. We have a lot of spring manufactures in Australia, like Kings, Dobinsons, and EFS, for shocks Koni, Rancho, Tough dog just to name a few.

Tony

Nicely done Tony.......... Full marks mate.

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Why are the patrols simply the best off road vehicle? Because of their strong driveline and chassis, they are cheap to buy and are so well supported by the aftermarket industry.

What sort of accessories are the best for patrols and why? That all depends on what you want to use the vehicle for, but generally lift, lockers, tyres, and bar work here in Australia. That may not suit you over in Iceland, just as "Arctic trucks" don't suit Australian conditions.

What kind off accessories is a must and what kind of accessories can you almost only get in Australia? As above lift, lockers, tyres and bar work. Most of our accessories can be purchased overseas as far as I know, but some of our tube bars and Kaymar style rear bars may be a bit unique. Hot water shower systems, cargo drawers, super flex front control arms are a few more, but I've never travelled much overseas so I don't know what is available

Whats roughly the price for the accessories? Varies widely depending on the accessory.

Are there any other good quality 4x4 accessories producers in Australia apart from ARB, TJM, Ironman and and safari snorkels that are worth a look or for that matter anywhere in the world? Superior engineering produce first class under body parts like upgraded suspension and steering arms etc. Millweld make good tube bars.

Which manufacture of these above is the best? As above

Those of you having experience with TJM and Ironman how good are their products? Both are good quality, TJM probably has a slight edge over Ironman for quality.

Whats the best suspension for patrols depending on models since they don't weigh the same? Suspension is very specific to the individual, what suits my needs may not suit your needs. Springs especially need to be selected to suit your vehicle weight and how you plan to use your vehicle. Any of the well known brands for springs and shocks. We have a lot of spring manufactures in Australia, like Kings, Dobinsons, and EFS, for shocks Koni, Rancho, Tough dog just to name a few.

Tony

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thanks for the response, regarding the suspension we mostly use our patrols to drive on snow or on rough dusty country roads, if the snow is wet its simular to driving in mud and big patterns but most of the time smaller pattern is better for dry snow and ice. so what we prefere in a suspension is one thats comfortable under alot of hevy use. but the anser i was sort of looking for was just what u think is the best for your kind of driving and what sort is that driving.

the modifications we do to the cars here mostly 12-20cm lift and then we cut the body and fit reqierd fender flares, and extensons on drive shafts and steering things (dont know what their called and extensions for lovering for the thinks that make the diffs stay straight. and then move the rear diff 10-15 cm back. 15cm lift is usaly good for 38-40" tires and 20 is good for 44" 24 if you want to go all the way to 46" but thats as big as anyone has modified theyr patrols for here. altough the bigger trucks like ford f250, f350 and ecoline are often fitted with 49" tires but thats as big as they go i think bigger tyres than that are just heavy truck tyres that are no good for driving in snow.

one thing fairly common here is a seccond transfer case, abr front but rarely rear air lockers and snorkels. but the most common is diff 5.42:1 gear. and all kinds of lighting gear and chromebar to fit them not bullbars never seen it apart from aussie pictures :D

personally the most essensial gear is 44" tyres and second transfer case sometimes called lowgear, the most common way to lift the trucks is usually with special block that fits in the spring seat and longer dampers. i peronaly weld new spring seats lower oan the damper seats as well that way in many ways the suspension is still very comfy on and off road. it takes 3-7 days to pull it off for 2 men.

Nice one Tony, where do you find the time......???????? A+


Cheers Pete

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Nice one Tony, where do you find the time......???????? A+


Cheers Pete

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I did that while I was having breakfast, the rest of the family was still asleep!

Tony

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I did that while I was having breakfast, the rest of the family was still asleep!

Tony

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What? Do they sleep in till about 3pm?? Would have taken me a day to write it!!! LOL

Good job old mate - great response.

Thanks for the response, regarding the suspension we mostly use our patrols to drive on snow or on rough dusty country roads, if the snow is wet its similar to driving in mud and big patterns but most of the time smaller pattern is better for dry snow and ice. so what we prefer in a suspension is one that's comfortable under a lot of heavy use. but the answer i was sort of looking for was just what you think is the best for your kind of driving and what sort is that driving? In Australia we have two different sorts of four wheel drivers.
1/ 4WD tourists. These cars generally have no more than 50mm suspension lift and often standard size tyres (in light truck construction). Bullbars, spotlights and long range fuel tanks are almost mandatory. These 4WD's are set up to be able to travel long distances on extended holidays, often towing a camper or caravan.
2/ 4WD enthusiasts. These cars will usually have 75 to 150mm suspension lifts optimized to achieve the longest possible travel. 33 to 37 inch tyres with aggressive patterns are common. Bullbars, winches, rock sliders and diff locks are also common on these cars. 4WD enthusiasts usually prefer shorter but harder trips, and look for the more difficult tracks as a challenge.

The modifications we do to the cars here mostly 12-20cm lift and then we cut the body and fit rigid fender flares, and extensions on drive shafts and steering things (don't know what their called and extensions for lowering for the things that make the diffs stay straight. And then move the rear diff 10-15 cm back. 15cm lift is usually good for 38-40" tires and 20 is good for 44" 24. If you want to go all the way to 46" but that's as big as anyone has modified their patrols for here. although the bigger trucks like ford f250, f350 and ecoline are often fitted with 49" tires but that's as big as they go i think bigger tyres than that are just heavy truck tyres that are no good for driving in snow. Anything over 50mm suspension lift and 33 inch tyres attracts police attention in Australia, but some of us still take our chances with bigger lifts and tyres. The sort of lift and tyres you talk of are only seen in competition cars over here.

One thing fairly common here is a second transfer case, ARB front (locker) but rarely rear air lockers and snorkels. but the most common is diff 5.42:1 gear. and all kinds of lighting gear and chrome bar to fit them to, not bullbars. Never seen it apart from Aussie pictures. Some here have done dual transfer conversions, but fitting lower ratio reduction gears in the original transfer case is much more common as it requires a lot less modifications to fit. 5.42:1 is a very low diff ratio, 4.6:1 is the lowest commonly available ratio we use here, that's probably because we don't run the bigger tyres like you do.

Personally the most essential gear is 44" tyres and second transfer case, sometimes called lowgear. The most common way to lift the trucks is usually with special block that fits in the spring seat and longer dampers. i personally weld new spring seats lower and the damper seats as well that way in many ways the suspension is still very comfy on and off road. it takes 3-7 days to pull it off for 2 men. Have you ever considered fitting portal (vertical offset) hubs to achieve extra height? You can gain 150mm of lift without touching the suspension. Marks adapters here in Oz manufacture portal hubs to suit Patrols, very nice gear. If you look in the members rides section on here Portal Pat has portal hubs fitted to his Patrol.
I think it's time you posted up some photos of your modified Patrols, please.

Tony

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What? Do they sleep in till about 3pm?? Would have taken me a day to write it!!! LOL

Good job old mate - great response.

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Nah, our little one (1 year old) was just starting to wake up as I was finishing it. Not bad for a 2 finger typist!

Tony

well in iceland the dealership modifed almost all the patrols to be fitted with 33-35" tyres, propably less than 10% have 33 orginal tyres. due to tax regulations all patrols pre 97/98 came with the 2.8 diesel engine which is rather small engine for such big tyres which is why about half of the 38-44" modified trucks have been fittet whith such a low diff ratio. the reason why we fit the fender flares is becouse regulation says the tyre sise can not extend the body. so we just extend the body sise with big flares. bigger steps.

regarding the portal lift i belive they ar bloddy awesome since they increase the space betwene the diff casing and the snow thus making it harder to get stuck which sometimes happens when you sink really deep in the snow. but its bloddy expensive pluss shipping and 25.5% tax that will be added to the total sum (shipping+price) but on the pluss side i reccon its not much work to fit them. i have never seen 4x4 drive fitted with them my self but i have heard there are some here in iceland but their rare.

i got one more question however, i have heard that there is a dives some of you used that is an electonic rust protector. that sort of device would be very well recceved in iceland since rust is a big problem here specially in the city where they put salt on the streeds to melt the snow quicker. any ideas where to get one online and what sort of prices one can expect.

and here is a picture of the patrol me and my friend modifed it got 44" dick cepek fun country secont transfer case and 5.42 diff gear gps and vhs radio. most of the towing it dos is dragging other trucks up

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

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Thanks for the photos, I've copied them to photobucket.
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/x...1/Iceland1.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/x...1/Iceland2.jpg

Check this link for electronic rust protection; http://www.erps.com.au/
I can't help you with prices but posting them shouldn't be a problem.

When you move the rear diff back do you move it the same distance as the second transfer case extends the gearbox, so keeping the tail shaft standard length? And what do you do to the rear shock mounts to suit the new diff position?

Tony

great pics, what a beast. S*** i really need to get of my fat lazy ass and start modding my patrol, these beasts are putting mine to shame :(

regarding the rear diff no usually i dont becouse we also have to fit doble somthing i dont know whats called in english on the ends of the driveshafts that lenghtens them even more so we take them to a lathe specialist who lenghtens the front shaft and shortens the rear shaft and uses another machine to make shure theyr balanced. the reason we move them back is so we can fit the bigger tyres as well to make it easyer to drive in snow when the car is heavyer on the front then the rear wheals are not sinking any deaper but instead helping the front weals making the new marks in the snow. this is probly not good for rock climbing though but it propably simullar in mud and sand driving. althoug there is most likely some golden ratio for the weaght distribution wich i dont know.

but the key is using light big tyres as demonstrated here.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2010/11/8.jpg

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum.../2010/11/9.jpg

Thanks Arinol, looks like you've got loading photos sorted now. That should add some fuel to the GQ v GU rivalry!
The tail shaft mod you refer to is probably a double carden joint.
Where do you get the low diff gears from?

Tony

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Thanks Arinol, looks like you've got loading photos sorted now. That should add some fuel to the GQ v GU rivalry!
The tail shaft mod you refer to is probably a double carden joint.
Where do you get the low diff gears from?

Tony

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Lol. thanks tony i think they come from a place here called ljónstaðir the same plse that makes the dual transfercases, they definatly do not make them here though nor the transfer cases, i have no idea where the diff gears come frome originally, the diff gears in that one where bought used. however i think the transfer case modification is most definatly imported from austrailia i think their probly marks. they look pretty much identical.

Bloody hell Tony you shouls copy all your post and put it in a book and sellit.