Played nice and asked what he'd do for the money I paid on the initial cock up.
Said he'd do this which should make a nice work light off the back, better than a kick in the teeth for the money spent.
http://m.ebay.com.au/itm?itemId=111299727091
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Played nice and asked what he'd do for the money I paid on the initial cock up.
Said he'd do this which should make a nice work light off the back, better than a kick in the teeth for the money spent.
http://m.ebay.com.au/itm?itemId=111299727091
Link don't work. It says the item has been removed...
Just agreed with him to refund plus compensation.
Let's see if it comes through.
Fixed, stoopid phone....Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Sorry, but all I can say is SUCKERS!!!!!!!!! he had piss poor feedback 2 start with and anyone in there right mind would not of bought one, as they say if it seems 2 good 2 be true it usually is.
Don't know what your all whinging about.
P.S: I have 10,0000 GQ's and 10,0000 GU's various models all in excellent condition for sale on ebay at the moment going for 100 bucks buy now, will post up the link for any suckers
fark it im not afraid to say im going for the light, at the end of the day they farked up, suck it up and learn from your mistakes i say!
and its not even going on my car lmao ill be giving it to my apprentice
No your right, I'm guilty of what your saying. Although I am not expecting the light that was in the original listing I am going to push it right to the very end.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
Yeah, the seller stuffed up and has happily offered to refund +$20 and 5% off, but there is no rule that says I have to accept a refund, as far as I'm concerned I'm not doing anything wrong. I may be exercising my rite to be a prick, but if he wants to play this game in Australia he has to accept ebay Australia's rules.
Worst case for him he keeps saying "no light no light, me hacked!" and paypal takes the $43 off him after a claim dispute and i leave negative feedback (well within my rights) Maybe ebay give him a bit of a reaming out, depends how many others take it that far, but that's nothing really major, but is the risk worth whatever cost price + shipping - $43 is?
Well that's what I aim on finding out, why is that such a bad thing?
If I sold you my house for $10,000 and signed a deed transfer and everything legal was done and you had given me the $10,000, why should you have to give me my house back just because i offered you your 10k back and told you some bogus story about being on LSD or crank.
Pretty sure (unless your a Buddhist maybe) you'd tell me I was the biggest fool on earth and you'd laugh your way to the bank.
How are we suckers, no-one here will loose a cent? Some will even make money. When was the last time you invested money anywhere (legal) and got a 46% return + your capital back after just three days?Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
Also his piss-poor feedback read's over 10900 items sold with 98.7% positive. I'm beginning to think some people on this site can't read for sh1t.
I'll take all 100,000 of those GQ's so long as you accept Paypal?
By the way. The seller is female. She rang my brother in law
For what reason.
oh...ummm...did she sound hot?
haha kidding, but is there a paraphrased thread friendly version of the conversation?
Wasting money on damn phone calls, they should be saving those Yuan (chinese$) so they can post him his bar damnit!
Refund and compensation received.
That was easy money.
he isnt sure. She doesnt speak english too wellQuote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
I have received mine too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MEGOMONSTER
Lmao ye I thought it would have been interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
Do you think he /she give's a sh!t if you or 4000 odd more people leave him / her poor feedback not likely, and I can read hence why I never bought one, and for pay pal no I don't have pay pal they are as useless as tits on a bull. Direct deposit into my account will be fine. Thank you please come againQuote:
Originally Posted by jc84
98.7 is pretty shitty feedback in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by jc84
That means 1 in every 40 odd customers has had a negative experience or in his case 250 odd
I won't buy from anyone with more than a thousand reviews who has a score below 99.5 and even then I check why.
But... I agree his feedback is irrelevant in this case.
A genuine transaction is not why the mob went after this dude, the seagulls spotted a whole bag of chippies to swoop on :1062:
I'm gobsmacked he is doing more than just refunding the money actually
So if your computer was hacked and the hacker got your banked details and withdrew all your money, I'm guessing you wouldn't expect the bank to refund any off the money because it wasn't there faultQuote:
Originally Posted by jc84
I think i assessed this situation incorrectly and gave them the benefit of the doubt, as long as i get my coin back then happy days! If you lot want to have fun with this fool go for your life's lol.
Maybe they're money laundering for the mafia by paying compensation hahahaa!!
I felt a bit scummy chasing them and I have tired of the whole situation. I have accepted a refund and $15 compensation.
As Megomonster said it was easy money, even though the seller has some what shirked responsibility.
I would prefer a light bar but am happy enough with the compensation.
Read, yes, but comprehend what you are reading? I'll give you the short version of what happens when a seller doesn't send an item, NB their account was hacked or not makes absolutely no difference. When you are a seller on ebay, you agree to certain policies, some of these policies state that if you sell something you are required to send an item that matches the description in the listing. If your business is selling on ebay (and with almost 11,000 feedback it's safe to assume this guys's/girl's is) you need to keep the ebay overlords happy. You keep them happy by avoiding things called seller non-conformance's. A seller non-conformance occur when buyers (i.e. us in this case) either don't receive the item, or receive an item that does not match the description. Ebay adjudicates this dispute between the seller and buyer and then makes a ruling on it. If they find the seller at fault for not sending an item or not sending an item that matches the description they can; make that users 'for sale' items show up much lower in searches and stop the user from having the ability to sell anything on ebay (they can only be a buyer).Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
So this guy/girl has spent the last 2 years and 3 months selling light-bars and other stuff on ebay, has almost 11,000 feedback and you think they're going to risk ebay pulling the plug on their selling ability or make that 11,000 feedback account for absolutely shit all? Hell f**king no, they will do a lot to make the last two years of work not be ended up one stuff up.
Yeah if i left bad feedback that's probably not going to amount to shit, but enough claim disputes that ebay has to deal with from this seller, ebay has powers much worse then bad feedback.
And with regard to your 100,000 GQ's, if you don't accept paypal i'm not buying 1, nor would I have bought one of these Lightbars if the seller didn't accept paypal.
I'm also pretty sure no-one on this topic would have bought one if the seller didn't accept paypal.
And also as you didn't buy one, why are you on page 30 of this topic? Or on this topic at all?
Yeah a refund + extra is really something.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
Haha your seagul analogy is a crack up, except in this case the seaguls bought the chips and are entitled to them, legally.
Yeah the feedback is...well i still thought it was worth a shot with the paypal backup, but I do have a usual LED guy on ebay, 34,000 feedback and 100% :)
That feedback is not piss poor considering they have over 10k feedback. 98.6% is still good. Considering the feedback count would be over 20K if everyone left feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
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Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
Sorry mate I don't follow, your now comparing a bank with ebay? Do you know for sure that your bank covers you for cyber theft, most don't. Meaning your password is your responsibility, if the moneys not in your account, it's what's commonly referred to as gooonnneeeeee.
I can only go on ebays terms and conditions, which this seller agreed to hence why he is selling things on ebay.com.au
Sooooooo quick question...... Once the refund is showing in PayPal, does that then get transferred back into the original account the money came from?
And yes I also had a good hard think about taking it further but at the end of the day, I just got bored and couldn't be bothered. Would I do it again.... Hell yeah in a heart beat, coz you just never know, you may just be lucky enough to get it.
To all of those who are still at it, good luck to you. To all of those who bowed out and got their coin back well done. And to those of you who didn't "swoop" like a seagull after some chippies, get off your moral high horses.
And ET no way having a dig mate, just liked your coin of phrase so used it ;):D:thumbup:
It should do in 3 to 5 days, it may disappear for a few days, I.E. not in pay pal or your bank account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Cheers mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Family4x4Fun
For you to transfer the cash to your account i think it costs you $$ and takes a day or 2 so you could just leave it there till you purchase something else. From memory i think it was $2 for every $50Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Wait...I think it get it now, in your scenario of the hacker hacking my online banking details and stealing my money, the hacker is played by this ebay seller, as he's the one that takes the money. I am still the victom because i've still had the money taken off with nothing in return. haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
But in seriousness, banks don't cover cybertheft, thats why they have daily transfer limits, activation codes usually sent via sms if you want to add a new external transfer account, the fact that you can't change you phone number or postal address online. You need to go into a branch for that and show them ID.
So really the only way a hacker could transfer money anywhere but my usual external transfer account numbers (who would all happily refund the money) would be via Bpay....how many hackers are going to use bpay....
I.E there's enough security built into your online banking that you need not stay up late guarding your password and access code, rest easy my friend.
That is unless ofcourse you mean the hacker hacked into the bank and stole money, which wouldn't bother you either.
I don't think if it is a refund there is the 2.5% charge on the money going out. I'am not certain though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alitis007
Just use the refund for some led light strips. ;)
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Originally Posted by Alitis007
I can see the refund but doesn't show as available in PayPal, so will check accounts tomorrow...... Cheers guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Family4x4Fun
I do not know what the policy is for banks when it comes to cybertheft, I do know when someone else gets your credit card details and makes purchases with it your money gets reimbursed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jc84
I do know activation codes for transfers 2 new accounts via sms is not fool proof and hackers have already worked around it
And there will never be enough security built into online banking, hackers / thieves are always one step in front
Just imagine the next meetup if we all got the lights. We'd light up camp like the MCG!
I have not heard from them at all today.
Or sit around in the dark bitching about how they sent us dud lights.
Yep I agree, like the old movie swordfish said the best hackers are the ones that people never even knew where there (or something like that). And I'm sure there probably enough of them getting around. I also know that non-approved purchases get refunded when on credit card, but that takes quite a while ANDDDD credit card companies have fraud insurance that covers that and then the fraudsters sometimes get caught and sometimes they drop the soap. Anyrate, I'm still unsure of what the analogy between hackers hacking accounts and fleecing money and now credit cards refunding unapproved purchases and our dealings with this ebay seller is. Please enlighten me? In plain English, not another confusing similar situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
I still stand by the point that once a hacker took money from anyone's account (weather or not they can do it being beside the point) its gone, it's gone for good. The bank wont give it back to you.
The banks not going to just turn around and give you money, after all they don't make billions in profit by giving it away, Yes I would ask the bank about cyber theft insurance if it happened to me, but wouldn't be hope-full of seeing a cent back.
BUT you have to remember that's in a banking world, where the banks make the rules, those same rules do not apply in an ebay world where ebay makes the rules. And ebays rules clearly state, once the buyer commits to buying and item from a seller he has to pay the seller and the seller has to send an item which matches the items descriptions. That's it. End of story. There is no 'get out of posting an item free' card if his account was hacked or the price was a type-o or bloody godzilla attacked.
There is also no clause about the buyer having to accept refunds.
So as it stands according to the ebay law I am well withing my Ebay buying rights to argue with this seller and Mr Ebay and I both expect him to send me a 52" 300W combination spot/flood light, N.B. I expect him to, yet I do not think he will.
I've already admitted that I like to argue and will continue to do so happily for the next 37 days with this seller, I have also already admitted that I am happy to exercising my right to be a prick when I am in the right. At the end of the 37 days of messaging this seller the worse outcome for me is that i have to lodge a claim that the item was never sent and after a while paypal give me 100% money back.
Worst case for the seller is that paypal takes my money off him(no biggie he's already offered a refund +20$), he receives negative feedback (no biggie here either he already has a few hundred of these as we've discussed) and the fact that another item that this seller has sold hasn't been posted and they have another seller non-conformance (I want to know if the difference between what the seller is going to loose out on a 52" bar is worth another non-conformance).
My best guess on what's going to happen is that he'll keep making excuses until he get's tied/bored/lazy/annoyed and just wait it out, paypal will only take what I paid nothing extra, and he wouldn't be bothered by another negative feedback, and nothing will probably happen with Ebay and nonconforming. I.E. I am not hope-full on seeing a light-bar of any kind, I can't force him to send one nor do I think he will.
Yet you seem to have a problem with me not wanting to take his money plus some extra cash to leave positive feedback and have a laugh about it. Yet when all this is over I'll most likely only get my $43 back, and that's it. No other light-bars, no extra money as some have (no disrespect to those that did).
The evidence is pretty clear to me that it would have been a typo in the price (22.99 in place of 229.90 or whatever). If it had been a hacking, then why wasn't the price $50, or $1 buy it now for that matter? If there had been a hacking then ebay australia should have known something about it either via ebay hongkong as the seller said or Ebay Australia themselves.
If the seller had come out and said 'hey really sorry but i stuffed up' I can surely say I would have just taken the refund +$5 and 5% discount as first offered. But it was all the bullshit stories that they came up with, 'hackers', then 'yes you can have the light ex china and there'll be a long wait', then 'sorry no stock in china', then 'sorry the dog ate the last lightbar then I ate him'. That is what ticked me off.
But I'm still dying to know where the link is between what hackers and banks and credit cards do and this Lightbar on ebay???
Could be getting a little off topic, but speak when spoken to and all that.
I have had my credit card scammed twice and my bank account once ... All up about twenty thousand dollars... The banks gave back every cent although it took about 6 weeks on memory.... Mum also had hers scammed for thousands and again money back.....
Never really have to worry about the banks as far as that is concerned..
Scotty
That's some shocking luck, but good to hear you got it back.
You're being too nice mate...Lol. Simply tell them, you will leave neg feedback if they don't send what you want.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
I love playing these games but getting sick of replying every half hour and going around in circles with this mob..Lol
So far I have been offered a 13"led bar or refund +$20 +10%discount.
OK, OK, one more push...hahaha
Yep I just woke up to an email with the offer of the 13" bar. Told them the least I would settle for is a single row 30 inch bar
I think the seller must have been hacked again...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300W-55in...item19e788cb77
Although this add says 55" bar, the dimensions are the same in the description as the one in our auction.
Pricing seems to be the first number the seller thinks of when they get out of bed in the morning. I've seen this same bar for sale for; $242, $409 and now $968