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There ya go. Winch bar..
Yours does wrap the chassis..
Simple plates for you my friend, will just have to get that 3rd nut..
It's exactly the same mounting as mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westy's Accessories
Changing computer services ATM so using via my Smart phone.
What ARB did as those holes for recovery were tearing out they welded washers {thick ones} either side to beef them up'
But as Kallen says only one plate on drivers side unless you drop the bull bar.
ALso being non airbag you can drill and fit Two hooks on the uprights of the Cato straps But these will need to be braced with a fully welded backing plate.
Or drill and fit 2 x M24 Eye bolts in line with the chassis rails, worlds your oyster
OK, so I reckon I'll do the OEM hook replacement. That should do for now as I was going to drill holes for the M24 eyes in the bar as I have a pair of those sitting around.
How much for the RHS John?
Cheers,
Drew
Thanks TD, just ordered some recovery points. Cheers
Hi td not sure what happened mate but I'm keen to get some points off you and showed you those pics, did you work out what I needed?
It all went to poo when we had our meet up...
No probs will get it sorted , this is the picture of the one to suit the GQ,
You can also bolt a black hook to it if need be.
Edit or you could bolt one of these in line with the chassis rails on the
front of Bullbar either side of winch
Cheers 3D, let me double check my bar today and I'll get back to you mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
@ MitchM these are the 2 styles I'm thinking will fit, the folded fit under the chassis rails and the other bolts to the outside of bulbar.
That hook one I've been using for years, had another on my other 4x4 as well great around camp and on the tracks for quick hook ups, but don't make them any more.
I fitted my 3D Recovery points! They feel and look very heavy compared to the standard ones, just need to get it dirty now!!!
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Well done threedogs, WELL DONE!!!!!
Now I see problem That plastic Nissan Cover, but looking good no doubt about it
Haha that would've done it
From end of hitch to centre of hitch pin is either 65mm or 45 mm.
not knowing which I opted for 65mm plus 5mm if I'm wrong.
Maybe its 69mm ,but its in that's all that matters, I like that one as its one
of my stronger ones and gives a better departure angle than some others
Well at about 11.30 am (Perth time) on Monday this week i pm's three dogs wanting a couple of recovery points for the patrol......
it is now Wednesday 5pm and the recovery points are here an installed!!!
That is amazing service, where else do you get that kind of service!!
The hardest part of the whole episode was getting the high tensile bolts at the correct pitch(which three dogs told me the size to get so it made life so much easier to source)
Thanks heaps threedogs it is appreciated..
Scotty
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Originally Posted by Mitch.mccabe
Still so clean Mitch ..... gotta get it dirty now .....
Mic
I know I know!!! Fraser in 2 months! And hopefully some muddy stuff before
Hi JohnQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
I'm curious about the 'bush hoop' item. I have lots of experience with recoveries and ran Superior Engineering dual 16mm plates on my last Patrol (I'll take over-engineered over adequate any day), but I'm no engineer. So, call it fear of the unknown, but using an eye bolt that is designed for static load (lifting) in a shock load application doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Have you tested the M20 eye bolt in isolation, or as part of the 'bush loop' assembly? How is the eye bolt fastened to the 50x50 block? How exactly was the product tested?
I've got to be honest, although I can see that your other recovery points are as stout as they come, I look at this item and I don't see 'safe' - I'm not the type to stay quiet about stuff I'm uncomfortable with, hence this post. Looking forward to your response.
Had a chat to TD about this a while ago.
First up if you look at your shackles there rated to 4.75t if you have 20mm shackles, these eye bolts from memory are 5+..
Also they have been tested and easily reached his 16t bench mark..
So I don't think there needs to be any worry. Same with any recovery gear, treat it with respect..
Old ground but new members they are static tested to tow 3.5t then destruction tested to see when they"ll break.
This one "Bush Hoop" did not break so it is very strong , originally I put 9T on it, but thouht I better not as the biggest towing capacity
at the time was only 4.5t. It was to stop farmers and others exceeding the rating. Even the guys were shocked who tested it.
This is the last time I'll write on the subject, thanks for your interest.
EDIT There is a huge thread on this topic,
and as I said then if I'm not going to put it on my Patrol why in hell would I want to put it on yours.
Thanks for your responses John and Kallen. As I mentioned this is something we haven't seen done with recovery points before.
I recall when these ones came out, I already had a billet-style 50x50 hitch receiver but I went out and bought one of these just to see how they were put together:
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2014/05/25.jpg
I'd like to see a bush loop disassembled to show how the components are fitted together.
I see some have taking to bashing my products on another thread, I'm here.
That hook is stamped at 4.5 t when assembled its proof tested to that then destruction tested like all other products of mine.
Patrol4x4 has some wizards on it as one joker is too tight to pay for rated front recovery points he made his own out of scrap metal that show s a complete lack of thought IMO
ALL my products are NATA tested try road runner , road safe and all the other copies you buy that are not rated , No more to say
And as I told that person on Patrol4x4 if I'm not prepared to put it on my patrol why would I sell it to you, get a life
John you might make some great products but you are a terrible salesman. Stop shit canning potential customers and they're home made items and instead prove to them why yours is better without coming across as a dick and you will do so much better
X2 - absolutely right there winnieQuote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Winnie,calm your tits...I don't think he's shit canning the bloke mate but the people on the other forum,who make homemade crap and bag his..
oopps maybe I am wrong.....I see others agree...
For 39$ id buy one of the other hitch receiver's that is one solid piece not a box and washer welded and surely those hooks arnt that strong i personally wouldnt use them unless they were used as a pair with a bridal strap, the stock nissan hook is thicker
All wrong read Patrol4x4 and you'll see what I mean, I was canning the guy for making points out of scrap metal and other Patrol4x4 members patted him on the back
1500 bush hoops sold no returns
3000 bush hooks sold one return hook broke , replaced
5000 pairs Nissan patrol folded front recovery points sold they fit other models tojo etc no returns
1000 pairs sold for utes no returns
etc etc etc I'll stand by my product not a piece of scrap metal piece of Siit
I have spoken to DOT and Vic Roads regarding all manners of my recovery points if you know more than them then feel free to PM me with what you have As for those "bush hooks" I haven't made one for years However Piranah do so feel free to drop Alan a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squalo
PS I never ever made black ones.
I didn't imply that you made the one in my photo, John. I used it as an example of something a bit different, which is what your bush hoop is. I asked for more information on how the bush hoop is assembled, you have chosen to not provide that information and that is your prerogative.
People making their own recovery points is irrelevant; they are not selling those home-made recovery points to the public. Out of scope in this discussion.
Hey John you should not take these questions as a personal attack on your integrity mate, your responses here and to date generally go along that line.
Trust me it would be far far more beneficial describing how well yours are made and laying a Bush Hoop out like Squalo did so there is no question on its strength.
I know you have been smashed with copies, you can't do any thing about that, anyone can unbolt your composite gear and make a copy. Your bent plates are much more difficult to copy but in the right hands Simply enough.
This is your Vendors thread mate! Your Thread! About Your Products. Step up and this your strength in a positive way rather than just trying to cut everyone off at the knees mate. Trust me it does You no good at all bud. From memory that other thread took 20 plus pages before you stepped up! Just bloody Dumb mate! I know you are not!
If a question was put to someone like Ironman he would be all over it showing cross section photos of why ahis Shock was better that the cheap Chinese crap. He would not crack the shits and take it personally, his job is to represent the company.
Your job is to represent you mate. You let yourself get hung out. Step up bud.
3rogs this thread and Squalos questions have migrated over from P4x4. All he is asking you to do is show case your product. No answer is the wrong answer mate
I make the "Bush Hoop" using a M20 eye bolt that is fully welded to a laser cut piece of 12mm x 250 grade mild steel with a 20,5 hole cut in the centre to a piece of 50x50x3 RHS.
Its assembled using a 20MM spring washer and HT nut sometimes I use a Nyloc M20 nut. this is tightened using a rattle gun.
Of the 1500 or so I have sold not one has failed in the field,
Originally because these were so strong we, as in NATA and me put a SWL of 20,000LB on it but That exceeded the tow capacity of any 4wd on the market
so I decided to reduce it to keep in line with other tow points . I then had it destruction tested and the 50x50x3mm RHS split where the pin goes in.
I'll stand by this as a very strong rear recovery point. Most ppl use the billet and shackle or just the pin in the class 2 receiver. I'll dig out the tested one ond put a picture here.
Of all the recovery points on the market I believe only mine are tested and made right here in Melbourne. I cannot vouch for any others at this stage.
Edit Others that are made with the hook only use 1.5 -2mm rhs I have not made any for years now
http://www.nata.com.au/nata/
for people who are unsure of who NATA is.
That sounds like a pretty secure arrangement to me. Thanks John.
I'll just say one thing here. Way before I bought a patrol, and way before I joined this forum and found out who John is and what he makes... When recovery points were talked about, Outback ideas are the only ones always recommended. I linger on a few other 4x4 forums and that name is the recovery point norm as far as I've seen.
Even a big brand shop bloke swayed me from buying their ones and said mate forget all these, go straight to TJM and pick up a set of out back ideas points as they're the only ones properly tested on the market that he was aware of. So I listened.
Ok I've been toying with this for a few years , but now I'd like some input .
As you can imagine its hard to make one front recovery point that will suit all model GU's and GQ's,
with all the different bar/motor combo's available. The one pictured will fit every Patrol made,
Yeah I hear you say, It bolts up to the shipping tie down point using one OE captive nut and drilling two more maybe
12 mm holes . So it will have 3 bolts holding it, only downside is the size of shackle you can use. IMO this position would be fine, so any of your thoughts are welcome.
My only thought is a lot of people will shy away because of the drilling.
I agree, being a lazy bastard I would not want to have to drill holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Already have mine though so I am happy.
your not drilling the chassis as such , as I said only toying with the idea
And by drilling and added two extra bolts it would make it very strong
could it not be longer to fit a larger shackle?