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Hello gods of the higher powers, it might be an idea to merge the other two threads into this sticky so it stays up the top and keeps everything neat:)
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...ecovery-mishap
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...s-another-life
Leave it up to you to decide
Great Idea Kris.
Not as easy as it sounds, I had every intention of doing it but when the threads are merged together it will turn into one big mess.
Unless boss man knows an easier way, I'm leaving as is
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Originally Posted by Nisshead
I will just Leave this here...................
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WHOAH! That's effing crazy!
Would only have taken a very light snatch to send that one flying like a missile!
The reason a young guy died down the west of tassie was because the hitch was welded in and rusted out from the inside. The coroners report said the average wall thickness was down to 2mm.
Love this sticker. Any1 know where/who I can get one from?Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
It's something I never knew until I came to who forum a few years ago.
I'm just grateful that all those times with the hilux nothing bad ever happened from it. And I'm glad I found out before it actually happened.
Being 17 and never being told... Who was to know better?? Educating the new 4x4ers is a priority. For many reasons.
"Love this sticker. Any1 know where/who I can get one from?"
Tried searching goggle for it and no result. What about making them and distributing through here. Taslucas, is this something you would do?
Yo! Which sticker we talking about?
tappin from tassie
Death from tow ball sticker. lucas include post in your price every 4x4 should display this warning
all clubs should give them out after driver awareness etc
Is there any news about that young man who copped a shackle to the head a few months back ???
NSW I think
That is just weird how the heck could it break like that ????Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Have a look at the rust flakes in the tow bar assembly tunnel . Lookskkee rust has been peeling it from the inside greaduallhe weakening it.
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Was trying to figure out how it went, yeah its broken/rusted the 50x50 rhs. could we assume its a boat trailer ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hodge
Its never a good idea to leave the tow hitch in the receiver when not in use, illegal to I think???
Made over 4000 of these probably more a while ago, dont make them anymore
I do them already..... There was a whole thread just on the towball stickers. A couple of years ago now. I'll go digging laterQuote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Edit... It started here! Lol, post #70 John. But I think there is another thread specifically for the stickers.
Maybe time to do another run?
tappin from tassie
Yes mate started readin at #70 and got over it by a few pages, BUT, and its a big but like mine, I recon its time to bring this up again and with current pricing. I also prefer your sample #4 but start the poll again. I think we could take it to our clubs and mabe get a bulk order going. Perhaps the forum may like to sponsor members. These are only suggestions - I think we should go for it even if we cannot ofset costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
Id be very interested in displaying this message.
Me too. I would even take a couple extra for when bumping into some friends that are like-minded and want one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
Ok to get the ball rolling I have started whipping out some of #3. They will be red text (text only) OR red text on white background.
I will work some prices out for digitally printed stickers too. Watch this space.... Or maybe watch for a new thread about stickers only lol
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I think #5 is the win for me. Kind of stands out a bit more. Also has that OHS feel to it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
Are you allowed to produce somthing that looks OHS but is not "certified". Otherwise I agree looks good. I still like 4 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by King_ady1
Allowed to do whatever you want. They won't be going on as part of a certification process, they are simply stickers which an individual chooses to place on their own personal property.
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I think I still have a few number 5 here Lucas I'd be happy to sell on. I bought a big batch for my club a couple of years ago and still have lots.
Also, the overall size of the sticker will determine the choice of style.
For example, some people may want a bigger sticker to go on their barn door window which means the lettering will be bigger so styles 2 and 5 will work whereas others may only want a small sticker on the step right above the towball/hitch so style 3 would fit better.
tappin from tassie
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Originally Posted by 4bye4
Good Q 4X but agree with Tas... You can have whatever sticker you wherever you want in whatever format you want (copyright aside).Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
You can spoof any style, wording or format you wish.
OSH does come into the equation but only if it is a requirement under a Reg or Standard to display a warning or advisory of a particular size or wording in a particular hazard or piece of equipment.
Wow i wouldnt have thought such a thing could happen using a snatch strap with a tow ball,im glad i know now,i think the stickers should be applied from the factory on all 4x4.
G'day HPP,
True story below, but we should firstly all thank the proactive NP's team above ! Personal experience, still haunting me, nearly killed a bloke/best old mate at the base of Gatta's Widow back in 90's being a dickhead in youth!
Foolishly, tow ball left my rig, via snatchem at warp speed thankfully missing the windscreen yet returning back via the stretch to wipe out everything in its path !!!
We should all wear warning stickers proud as punch whilst offroad, I can't imagine a court of law anywhere in the country judging otherwise for such due diligence ?
Where do i/we get one Daz ?
Cheers MB
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Taslucas can help you out with stickers Mark...
They didn't say but my money is in a Towball failure.
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Shackle failed and no dampener on the strap..Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Really!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguwesty
A shackle failure is pretty rare! Operator error I reckon! I have seen a shackle fail only once and that was when it was set but they put the pin through and did not do it up...
Have you got a link to a follow up story Krisso? Keen to read it if you do mate.
Speculating, it could simply have been too small for the load. I have come across guys using shackles you would attach to the emerg chain on a 6x4 trailer heading to the local tip once a year - you know the ones you can buy in a hardware store.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
If the shackle was correctly rated, yes, agree, would be very unusual.
Yea thats what ive read on one of the sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Seen one shackle failure (a rated 3 ton) and IMHO it was because the pin was 'loose'.
We never found the pin and the shackle was more like a "C" than a "U"
Shackles only achieve their rating if the pin is tightened to the appropriate torque and not "finger tight and back a quarter".
I might add that I am also bemused when I see people drive around with rated shackles dangling off their front recovery points were the Shackles are constantly bombarded by rocks or getting smashed into boulders and step ups on the tracks.
Not the way to treat a vital link in a recovery IMHO...
Shackles only achieve their rating if the pin is tightened to the appropriate torque and not "finger tight and back a quarter".
ET, I did a quick check on this as I have two crane lifts tomorrow, and have a special class rigger/dogger to supervise the lift and complete the lift plan. Now I understand we are talking pulling a load , not lifting when doing vehicle recovery, but the operation of the shackle remains the same.
Both QLD Worksafe and SA Worksafe both state in their training and certification docs that shackles are to be tightened to 'finger tight then backed off half a turn' to prevent pin jamming. Interestingly, a training document from a UK lift organisation states the pin is to be tightened using a 'small bar thru the hole' of the pin, but does not state a tightening torque.
I can't find anywhere that lists a pin torque required to achieve load rating on a shackle - do you have this in writing you could share? My training has also been in the finger tight then half a turn release, so would be more than keen to know if there is something else I should be doing. Checking with my special class rigger, his training also defines the shackle as finger tight, released half a turn, to counter the effects of a sling rotating and jamming the pin in the shackle body. Under this process the shackle is deemed to be compliant and capable of lifting the intended load, provided it is appropriately rated.
Hiya PeeBee
My bad perhaps I shouldn't have used the term "rating" it probably should have been breaking strain...
The following is the gist of some of the documents I have here which admittedly aren't exactly the latest 'cept the Bullivants one:-)
From Bullivants http://www.bullivants.com/FlippingBo...ublication.pdf...
The pin is screwed tightly with the collar and the pin is
bedded evenly on the surface of the shackle eye.
From CM Rigging...
-How tight does the pin need to be?
The pin must be tightened hand tight or until pin
head is fully seated against the body of the shackle.
It may be necessary to tighten an additional 1/8 turn
to ensure proper engagement. Do not back the
pin off the body of the shackle.
MOUSE TAIL SHACKLE IF IT REMAINS IN
PLACE FOR ANY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
THIS WILL PREVENT PIN FROM BACKING OUT
From an internal publication on Rigging Fundamentals (source unknown) for our restraint and anchoring applications...
Shackles shall not be used if the pin cannot be completely seated.
The pin need be only hand tight for lifting.
Use only shackles with screw pin, round pin with cotter should not be used.
Screw pin shackles shall not be used if the pin can roll under load and unscrew
Disclaimer... I don't do Crane Lifts and I am not a Rigger, Doggy or Craney and don't have any issue at all with how any Statutory bodies indicate how equipment is to be used for lifting IE if they say it can be backed off then I have no probs with that.
As I do not have any of the above training or quals I therefore use gear as per the manuf or supplier recommendations/suggestions/practices IE all the screw pin shackles I use in restraining, anchoring or for handling any of my gear are rated, tightened and moused.
... should also add that in no way do I 'disagree' with any Riggers or the 'back it off 1/2 a turn' deal for lifting.
Lifting is their world and I bow to their expertise and the practices that are endorsed for those applications.
OK, seems there are different recommendations for different industries and countries. I for one will be sticking to the regs applicable in Australia. I think that a shackle that is screwed in to finger tight then backed off half a turn has more than enough bearing area to cater for the intended load. Additionally there is sufficient thread friction and 'binding' of the interfaces to ensure the shackle/pin remains essentially static. On the other hand, if its simply screwed in 'a bit' and not bedded down, then you are asking for trouble. It would pay also to check the condition of the shackled joint periodically during a recovery to ensure that the pin has not migrated from the shackle body. How this could happen is a bit of a mystery to me, but maybe there are circumstances where it could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
Absolutely agree Cobber.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeBee
I'd be guilty recently of this too ET :-( Thankyou as always mate for your awakening advice :-) To be honest it's the first time I've ever done it as a point for new winch hook, quite crazy really now 'I see' and in the shed here as a result of your post reassessing/removing a poor rushed last trip choice made.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin
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Even sillier is that this chosen big hook doesn't need bow shackles to straps regularly so they'll be packed away safely now for when may be mate. Cheers again !
And then you get people making their own points which is scary!http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...017/06/202.jpg
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