Manual grabbers

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Originally Posted by Archie

Not meaning to throw a spanner in the works, but what about people like me who don't always have access to the net. I am probably what you would call a manual grabber because I did download it not long after I joined and before 25 posts ( I still haven't got 25 posts). However when I can get access I visit the site to read about what other patrollers get up to without posting a comment. It is the best site I have come across and I like the fact that undesirables are booted off and bad language is not tolerated.

Just my 2 cents worth

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As said mate, at least you take the time to tell us and offer comment. These other clowns simply type "that's good", "top tip" etc etc to 25 (usually older) posts and then we all have to read through their dribble to get the banter back on track ... thanks for your input mate though, as it helps with the decision as to how to to about sorting it for the future ..

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Originally Posted by toddrhind

can understand that 2 Archie, hence why a new member could get 25 posts within a few minutes if they welcomed every new member, have access 2 the manual and not been frowned upon. Its not so much about grabbing a manual and never returning, its the cr!p they post up 2 get the 25 posts that gets them banned.

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It's like the smart arse factor on top of abusing the work AB and the mods do running the place, and those who have hunted up the manuals in the first place??

So can I grab 3 manuals with 75 posts? LOL!
Seriously though, it annoys me how some people are always on the lookout for some thing for nothing.
I agree with a lot of the suggestions put forward, especially the one where the minimum 25 poster has to PM a Mod for a link to download the Manuals, so they can be checked out to see if they are just posting stuff like BigRig said(Top Tip, That's Good etc).
Why should they benefit from someone elses' hard work for nothing?
Steam released, Bundy kicking in, back to reading other posts.

Been thinking about this problem but don't understand the behind the scenes of a forum but can the following work?

Once someone has signed up they be automatically directed to a welcome site? Not the whole forum until they say Hi and introduce themselves. (stop spam)

Ask on the sign up site what they are looking for. (determine intention) Maybe not have the manuals as a tick option and once they have posted 25-30 posts reward them with a one time use password to the manuals? BUT only if they play by the rules.

Not sure if it would make more work but what I understand now happens is you guys are always on the look out for non genuine forum scum.
May make your work easier but AB's worse?? Not sure..

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Originally Posted by GUtsy ute

So can I grab 3 manuals with 75 posts? LOL!/

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You certainly could, but you will first need 2 tell us in 25 words.....i mean post as to why you would like the manuals *LMAO*

OK, been reading the posts for a coupla days and I'll have to fess up to still not getting it... :1087:

The EMA 4WD manual for example is freely available to anyone on planet Earth with a PC and an Internet connection. EMA have no restrictions whatever to access their documents, no "must have x posts", no "must register", no "must contribute", no "we have found a very helpful document but you can either stumble over it yourself with Google or jump thru the hoops and we'll tell you". You just go to the EMA site and there it is. The only proviso is noone can use it for commercial gain

Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no issue with accessibility levels imposed on stuff that has been collated and published by OR is of some level of intellectual property of the Forum/Members but I just cannot see why there is so much feeling for restricting 3rd party documents or info where perhaps a sticky of a "Handy Documents" Link would suffice?

Anyway, one thing is for sure, it is certainly a strangely emotive subject eh... ;)

You know, Evil, I think it's just a case of most here are protective of anything on this forum..
Pure and simple. It is almost like one big happy family. And helping to make the forum grow. As i've said before, there are those that will stick around regardless.
As Biggus Riggus said in another thread, it's a helpful forum in many ways, and I think that is part of it.
We just want to protect our own, while the 'family' grows.
I dont walk into someone's house and take something cos it's free without at least a thank you.
Always good to see the 'other side' of any argument, but I will protect my security team til the end..
( I know why you're the 'evil twin'.. pml)

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Originally Posted by katwoman

You know, Evil, I think it's just a case of most here are protective of anything on this forum..
Pure and simple. It is almost like one big happy family. And helping to make the forum grow. As i've said before, there are those that will stick around regardless.
As Biggus Riggus said in another thread, it's a helpful forum in many ways, and I think that is part of it.
We just want to protect our own, while the 'family' grows.
I dont walk into someone's house and take something cos it's free without at least a thank you.
Always good to see the 'other side' of any argument, but I will protect my security team til the end..
( I know why you're the 'evil twin'.. pml)

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Totaly agree good post

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Originally Posted by katwoman

You know, Evil, I think it's just a case of most here are protective of anything on this forum..
Pure and simple. It is almost like one big happy family. And helping to make the forum grow. As i've said before, there are those that will stick around regardless.
As Biggus Riggus said in another thread, it's a helpful forum in many ways, and I think that is part of it.
We just want to protect our own, while the 'family' grows.
I dont walk into someone's house and take something cos it's free without at least a thank you.
Always good to see the 'other side' of any argument, but I will protect my security team til the end..
( I know why you're the 'evil twin'.. pml)

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like the new avatar

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Originally Posted by the evil twin

OK, been reading the posts for a coupla days and I'll have to fess up to still not getting it... :1087:

The EMA 4WD manual for example is freely available to anyone on planet Earth with a PC and an Internet connection. EMA have no restrictions whatever to access their documents, no "must have x posts", no "must register", no "must contribute", no "we have found a very helpful document but you can either stumble over it yourself with Google or jump thru the hoops and we'll tell you". You just go to the EMA site and there it is. The only proviso is noone can use it for commercial gain

Don't get me wrong. I have absolutely no issue with accessibility levels imposed on stuff that has been collated and published by OR is of some level of intellectual property of the Forum/Members but I just cannot see why there is so much feeling for restricting 3rd party documents or info where perhaps a sticky of a "Handy Documents" Link would suffice?

Anyway, one thing is for sure, it is certainly a strangely emotive subject eh... ;)

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The main reason for imposing the 25 post rule is to stop hordes of people downloading it. The manuals are big documents and everytime someone downloads a manual it uses up AB's bandwidth allocation. AB already has the forum on the highest bandwidth plan and if that bandwidth is used up the forum will either slow right down or stop, something that none of us want to see happen.

Tony