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Thanks Mick, no booth, just a new big metal shed, i realise the precence of the crap factor, but as you know, ive had it painted by "professionals" with a booth, and we know the outcome of that, im over the panel shops, and so many times i hear the so called pro's have buggerd stuff up, and creating much bigger problems than a bit of fluff the paint.
Regardless of anything else, im confident it will turn out pretty shmick, perhaps from what you said now "ceramic" may not be the go ?
I wouldn't be doing a 3 layer or special effects colour outside a spray booth let alone using ceramic clear. It needs to be a very clean environment because you put down a white base, allow that to dry and then put down your special effects which is totally transparent so if you get a black bit of crap in the special effects which you will get plenty in a shed then you have to basically start again. It's common knowledge in the industry that if your paint white you get black crap and if your painting black you get white crap.lol
I was also thinking of another problem which is film build up. If you do a special effects over the top of all that paint that's already on there it may cause all sorts of problems later on. That's why most cars that get special effects are done as a bare metal respray because with all the extra base an extra clear to fill the effects your at your maximum film build already.
I would be thinking very hard about this before you spend a heap of money on a paint job which may crack, craze and the possibility of gloss drop because of excessive film build.
If your fussy then doing this type of job outside a spray booth may not come out as nice as you think. The time to respray a 4wd in solid white is about 1 hour max in a controlled environment. A respray in a controlled environment for a special effects and take 4 to 8 hours. So you can imagine how much crap can get in the paint in that time. That's just something to think about.
Cheers Mick.
yeh , thanks for the advice Mick, and while i know you have much experience in painting so i dont take your comments lightly, to be honest, im really now at the point where i must place my trust in my new painter, there is lots of things that could make doing the job easier or better,and as always heaps that can go wrong, but im not going to stress, and do the best with what ive got, and im 100% more confident we will end up with better results than it looks now (even though they had the booth), now at least, i can be there every step of the way.
We will just have to cross the crap bridge when we get that far (lol), and as i found out, a booth is no guarantee of a perfect job.
I planned on the car getting rubbed back pretty hard to get the runs and steps out of it, perhaps i can make sure its rubbed back to primer all over to reduce the build up (ill bring this point up)
If it doesn't work or im not happy, we will do something else, after all what ive gone through, im still happy to try, but like i said, im going for what i want first, not what is easy, im pretty good at doing stuff my own way, without all the right tools ,and still coming up sweet (lets hope this job is the same) :biggrin:
Your right a booth is no guarantee of a perfect job but you can have the best painter in the world paint a job in a shed and it can end up looking like crap though no fault of his own. If your spending this much money on a paint job you would have to be mad not to hire a booth for a day which will save you a lot of time and money in the long run. If you have a good painter and a clean spraybooth then there is no reason why you cant have a nice paint job. there are plently of shops that will hire out there booths on a weekend.
You cant really just rub the car back to the primer unless you plan on fully priming it all again. It would look like corrugated iron. You have 3 choices there, one is to chemically strip the whole car, 2 is to mechanically rub as much paint of as possible and reprime it or 3 give it a really good wet rub and paint straight over whats already there.
Good luck with it mate and I hope it all works out.
Cheers Mick.
Unfortunatly ,I doubt there is any booths or panel shops out in the sticks near where my brother in law lives Mick, and if i can get the flake sent from my cousin in the USA as planned, the cost won't actually be "that" bad, plus im obviously saving a fortune on labour.
If i had to Chemical strip the car, id most likley want to re-do any bog, as i think the stripper will soak into it and cause more problems later, so not really keen on that idea, if i "had" to strip the whole car, i think id get it Soda Blasted , but anyway, id be more than happy to and would rather, re-prime the whole car if that is needed.
Thanks again Mick, ill bring up all the points you mentioned, Ill keep this thread up to date on progress and what happens anyway, and if you think of anything else i should be aware of, please let me know.
OK , so the car went out to my new painters today :p
It was supposed to go last weekend, but the tow truck that was organised to pick it up, had a engine failure the day before.
I cleaned all the door jambs and hinges so they can be painted, and then i cleaned off all the black tar sealer crap the panel shop clowns used to cover the white overspray they got on my chassis rails.
Once i can get the flake, the paint job should happen pretty quick by the sound of things ;)
OK, bit of progress, door jams have been painted in base white ....
Looks so much better all clean and the same colour.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...orjamLarge.jpg
After sanding all the panels on the outside as well, it seems there is not much paint on the car at all, which is bad , but at this stage is actually a really good thing, apperently at a educated guess, there is only one coat of clear and one of white on the car, some places has hit bare metal very easy after a quick rub.
After a light sand, all the "effect" has gone, and this was supposed to be behind the clear, so something is not right, especially when some spots are now hitting bare metal.
My 6oz of House of Kolour Ice Pearl White turned up this week....;)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ljarsLarge.jpg
Man this stuff is sparkly :thumbup:
Photos don't do it justice, you can see how little light is available by how dark my hand is , yet look how this stuff still shines !
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...pearlLarge.jpg
Phark yeh ! :clapping:
Mate those c$&@s need to be sorted man. Even if it is through consumer affairs or similar or a current affair
Name n shame mate
HaveA tapped out new year
Haven't you finished this project yet Steve???? *L*
Nice work, looking forward to seeing the end result
Hope your new painter knows who he is dealing with and what you have been through with your last one
I do share your enthusiasm mate, but personally im going to try and forget and leave this one alone, (karma will sort em im sure) i just want my car back, its in good hands now.Quote:
Originally Posted by growler2058
Ha-hahaha ,I know Todd, its been almost 12 months since crash, and 1 year on, id really like to have driven it back to Moreton and go thank the guys on the island who helped us that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
Yeh Todd, he is my brother in law, we have always been good mates before he was even my bro in law, he knows me pretty well, he painted my Torana (the one in this thread) years ago so he is familier with my expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
He knows the full story, and genuinely wants me to be happy, he is the sort of guy who will go out of his way to make it happen for me regardless of what i want ,its so nice to have someone who listens to what i want, then, actually "doing" what i asked for, instead of something else !
My pound of white flake turned up this week, Customs had opened the package, i can't imagine why they think a box with "this" bag inside looks suspicious ? .................
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...d/flakebag.jpg
(ha-ha) :wink:
Its not as sparkly as the HOK ice pearl, but its a pretty big flake (although you can get much bigger), its raining here, so i can't do a real test out it in sun, just under house light.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...parklyfing.jpg
I will take it up to my painter soon, then he can play around with the effects and quantity of flake.
Bling bling bling mate :)
Good to see this is still underway. Thought you may have bought a toyota.....LOL
Its Painted ! :clapping::bananadancing::cool::eek::bananarock::h pfredgeorge1::049::first::cheers::smile::bigthumbu p:
My car got painted today, I have not seen it with my own eyes, but aperently it has turned out very well !
These are only phone pics ive been sent, and all i have to share right now, ill get more when i can.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...int2Medium.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...aintMedium.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...int3Medium.jpg
Phuck yeh !
One great read......one great ending!
wow mate, at last!!!!!
That pearl effect looks brilliant!
Excellent the phone pics look fancy as its gunna be awesome in the flesh mate
Sent from the crapper while on tappa
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Steve but it looks like its got some white specs in the paintwork *LMAO*
So the 4b will be back on the road next week????????
Getting there mate, looks good!
Thanks mate, story has not quite ended yet, but this is a big mile stone, and feels like im finaly at the top of the hill :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by NP99
Thank you, yes its been a bloody long time coming, good things do come to those who wait !Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonicus
Thanks growler, yeh i just cant wait to see it, and going from the test spay outs we did, the pearl effect is "times 10" out in the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by growler2058
What specs ?.......... must be dirt on your PC screen Todd ! (ha-ha):clapping:Quote:
Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2
Still gonna be quite a long haul before im driving it around im afraid, but ill keep you updated
Thanks AB, ill take some more pics myself when i can get up thereQuote:
Originally Posted by AB
That's better just cleaned the screen, thanks for the tip Steve *L*Quote:
Originally Posted by 04OFF
I'm sure you will have it back on the road by next weekend, 24hr days working none stop, plenty of time to get it back together :)
If you ever need a spare set of hands to help out just yell out....
Bit late to start work now :) plus... its almost finished hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by NP99
Still a damn lot of work putting the interior all back inQuote:
Originally Posted by Biscuits
I would say its no where near finished
The finish looks a lot nicer then the last job mate.
Does he have to flow coat it or did the flakes end up sitting under the clear without protruding? Sometimes you don't no whether you need to for a couple of days though when the solvents start to evaporate.
Some of the special effects I've resprayed over the years I've had to flow coat a couple of times to fill the flakes and get them to lay down nice. Although that looks like it's only a fine flake similar to a standard 3 layer pearl.
Cheers Mick.
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Originally Posted by mick.
Thanks Mick, yes just "all one colour" is a great start let me tell you, as you suggested in you previous post, there was a bit of well , s#!t , for wan't of a better word, in the paint, my bro in law is still very happy and is very confident it will all buff up mint in a week or so.
The flake we used is small, i think looking at it, its a fair bit bigger (or at least the effect looks bigger) than a standard 3 layer ,i/we opted not to use the bigger flake i bought, simply because it only added 5% more bling (only out of sunlight) for 100% more hassle (hard to cover), the flake we used lays quite flat, so covers very easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick.
It had been painted for over 30 hrs when i saw it ,and as expected, it had lost some gloss from when it was first finished, but its still got a shine im happy with (and will get even better after a buff), bro in law recons it will be pretty easy to match/touch up for future repairs as well.
Here is a lil vid i took with my ph......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xS35y14USM
Mate that looks sick! Your not going to want to take that off road lol. Coming along nicely
Thanks mate, yeh i cant wait to see it in the sun, thats when it really goes off !Quote:
Originally Posted by megatexture
No point having it if its not going off road, and everyone is very clear on the fact that it wont be the last paint this car see's, im hoping with the front Lokka, winch, bar work and some decent muddies ,i can repel the damage for a little while tho ? :tongue:
Lmao good luck with that one you can only try:icon_driving:
Yeh i know, it sounds good in theory tho ?
:smileyvault-cute-bi
Looks mint Stevo! Should pop in the sunlight.
Just tap it in ... taaapp it in ....
I though you might have piped in that its gotta go on the track scotty lol.
Glad no one was injured in that, you can always fix the Patrol
You seem to take it really well. I'd still be spewing.
Good luck!!!
Yep and we will have to have to put an in car cam on Steve's face for that first bend ,the look will be priceless lolQuote:
Originally Posted by nissannewby
Pin stripes might not show up as much with that paint effect?
great read ty
You can bring the beers from the fridge while I help! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Biscuits
Sorry mate, i missed this comment somehow, i must have been too excited about the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by NP99
Anyway, very kind of you to offer, ive got no real plan of attack at the moment, ill just wait till the car comes home, then just start with one thing at a time i guess :smile:
When are we starting the rear bar? And maybe having a drink ... while we ponder the rear bar??? lol
Just tap it in ... taaapp it in ....
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Originally Posted by megatexture
yep. steve has a go pro i'll bring mine. The look of sheer horror from multiple angles lmao