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If you're after bit more room couldn't you get another awning side and attach it to the front..
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You mean like an 'Oz-Tent' Jaysee :-) Luv ya Mr Mark & Family, just stirring :-)Quote:
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Originally Posted by mudski
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Looks good mark, nice and neat. Did you build your own cage, or is that one of the msa ones?
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Nah the MSA cage is nearly $500. I went to two local steel mobs for the mesh and they would only sell it in massive sections. Trying to declutter the garage it didnt want that so i got it from Dunn and Watson. It wasnt the right size, either too big or too small so i went the too big option and made it fit. The cage is mounted to the slide itself, not to the drawers. i had to buy longer bolts for the slide and change the slide bolts, then i could space out the side sections of the cage. Then make it up as i went to fit the top section. weird thing is the bolts that came with the cage couldn't be used for anything. Even too small too attached the top and back sections of the cage. After fitting i went for a drive and the rattle from the cage against the barrier was annoying. So a few zip ties later and is all quiet. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacho86
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Ok.
So I bought this High mount winch quite a few moons ago with the intention of building it up and "shoe horning" it into my ARB bar. This was some 2 years ago. Or there abouts. Things and life change and as usual, stuff gets left on the bench. I had stripped it apart, bought a few bits, and that pretty much how far I got. Until now.
So.
This is what I had bought....
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Pretty shabby. But like most High Mounts. They are built into unstoppable beasts!
I will quickly run through some pics to where I'm up to...
So I stripped it down and found a few things that needed to be fixed. Like the motor was fubar for one. But over all it wasn't too bad.
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I took the drum and housing and end plate to Mal at S.G Leslie & Sons in Heidelberg, this guy is the guru of High Mounts. He rebuilds brand new high mounts that have never seen a second of use and makes them better than what they already are. So with the drum he made its smaller. From 3inch to 2.5inch diameter, to fit more rope on. Also, shamfered the end plates so there wasn't a sharp edge to cut the rope, milled down the outer end where the plastic bush would sit, not I have a ball bearing that fits on the end plate.
He also added an extra oring at the main housing end for that extra protection to inside the housing.
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Mal also welded on some tags for the braces. Supplied me with the bars to suit aswell. And also the drain plug at the bottom of the main housing.
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So the add on bits I have bought are .
Freespool eliminator
https://www.the4wdshed.com/ballzy-bi...ool-eliminator
Albright Solenoid
https://www.the4wdshed.com/albright-solenoid-12v
Gigglepin winch motor extended bolts. With the intention of mounting the solenoid to the rear of the motor....
https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin...ch-motor-bolts
Gigglepin heavy duty brake shoes.
https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin...ty-brake-shoes
Gigglepin uprated heavy duty brake shaft kit
https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin...haft-mainshaft
I also got a sticker kit from Warn in the states for nothing aswell, bonus.
I did buy the Iskra Mahle winch motor, but returned it as I wanted something faster. I know how these motors compare, they are good, really good, but slow. I hate winching at the best of times. So I will wait until my guy has either the Warn 6HP in stock or the Bow2.
Upon closer inspection I found a small grub screw in the main housing. Not seeing this before I can only assume Mal had put this here to lock in the brass bush that sits in the housing where the brake shaft runs through.
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I also added a triple roller bearing setup to the top housing gear. This usually runs two bearings.
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The Stock Warn brake pad sitting on top of the Gigglepin brake pad. BIG difference!!!
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Next the brake assembly goes together...
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Then the brake assembly gets fitted into the housing, along with the drum. A few minutes later and its LOOKING SEXY!!!
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Thats as far as I have got...
So pretty much just waiting on the motor. Put the Pawl back on, add some oil, then the breather and stickers. Then I will remove the ARB bar and find my shoe horn to make it all fit...
Looking awesome mate. Who told you the Ishkra motor was slow? I'm not sure that is accurate to be honest. The power is delivered differently , they don't suffer load as bad as the warn or bow to be honest and so don't slow down so much. Big winching on big hills the Ishkra will be king mate. Short snatch winching you might come our on top but it's seconds not minutes.
They are wound differently. If I had to choose and was running 12v then my.money would go on an Ishkra 100%
MB and Matty both have an Ishkra.
Well proven solid performer that is almost impossible to kill.
Yes under 0 load the iskra is a little slower, but once loaded up the iskra is actually faster. The warn motor actually struggles a bit under load. Wish I went with the iskra.
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Nice!
Presumably for hardcore users?
Have never seen one in real life. Are they a lot bigger/heavier than low mount Warns? What sort of pulling power are they rated at & what sort of amps would they pull from a battery on 'full noise'?
If high mount means they somehow sit on top of the bullbar how so to avoid blocking airflow to the radiator?
Maybe my interpretation of what their slow is, is obviously way off the mark then Darren. Is was looking at getting maybe the Bow2 motor. But I’m in no rush so I have time to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
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Ishkra for the win mate. 100% cheaper and a better option for your usage IMO.
High mount refers to the motor being mounted above the drum and driven by gears. Because of the design they are a lot bigger and a bit heavier than a standard low mount winch, this makes them much harder to fit to a bar too. Pic attached of how they look mounted. They do restrict a bit of airflow to the radiator for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa
From standard Warn rate them at 8000lbs and always recommend a double line pull, but we are putting bigger motors and other mods to strengthen them up and give much more power.
Not sure what sort of current they would draw, all depends on which motor is used but they use the same style motor as is found on low mount winches.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2020/04/37.jpg
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I've just done a little research Mudski, it looks like the Roadrunner bullet motors are rated as the best value motors at the moment.
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Nice pic lol. Yeah its a bit funny the warn M8274 (high mount) the numbers refer to 8 (8000 pounds) 2 (two way - in and crappy freespool lol) and 74 year it was released. Originally came out with a 2.7HP motor then upgraded to a 4.6 HP but still rated at 8000 pounds although most put motors on at least 6HP along with other mod to strengthen so realistically capacity would be much greater.
Winch looks awesome BTW Markie time to sink the bugger and give a good test lol. . Once we're allowed out again damit. .
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Thanks Winnie, I learned something there. So would I be right in thinking that the main attraction is their ability to be beefed up beyond standard? ie. Are they a better thing than the higher rated low mounts? I guess being more accessible seems is a bonus too..... & they do look pretty tough. Are they still sold new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Yep still sold new and pretty much haven't changed since when they came out in 1974. Big advantages are external brake which is stronger but doesn't generate heat in the drum which can affect synthetic rope also having direct drive gearing as opposed to compact planetary style in a lowmount gives less losses in power and much stronger.
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Where did you read that mate? Was it based on price? Output? Longevity? Low voltage performance, load speed,??Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
So.many variables. I reckon when the going gets tough anything with a 6hp or better in a himount will get it done.
@mudski you will find your splitting hair for speed in any of the high output up motors. If you want fast them go 24v . If you staying 12v then the Iskra for $380 is a bargain.
It was only because of what I was told Darren, or my interpretation. I took it that the Iskra was quite slow compared to the others. Speed is not really a deciding factor for me now I know there's f.a speed difference. Whats the HP of the Iskra anyway. Only info I can find is that its a 1.6kw motor. From my quick findings this equates to around 2.2HP. Doesn't seem right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Hi Mark. It actually has more to do with how the motors are wound. The Iskra is i believe a continuous wound units that is designed for a static machine operation and continuous load and when adapted onto a 12v winch it was found that they simply dont load up like a series wound motor. They take the load and keep going. Lets face it that is when things really get ugly. Loaded and lacking current and the Iskra will just keep pulling.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
These first came to light when a bloke had a Pallet of them sitting in a shed and figured they were the same spline count as a warn and offered them for peanuts to guys in the comp scene as spares. they were $150 and being handed out left right and centre just for the spares box. Seriously!! Excess Stock on Clearance. Give it a gfo! I was short of cash or i would have grabbed a couple. Well it turns out they are a Beast and plenty of guys running them as their motor of choice now in comps winch challenge trucks. I have not read of a single Dead Iskra motor.
Damn that is a Great pic mate. You should have entered that in the Happy Place Photo thread. Great Track. Great Weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
Extra little mod for you Mark. Sorry just spent 30 minutes looking for a pic but can't find one.
Drill 2 x 6mm holes through the case below the lip and through the retaining plate when in position. And the 2 x M6 bolts through. You need a 1mm spaces (maybe 2mm. A couple of washers) to space out the retainer so it slots into the top housing groove.
I have had this retainer Fail. Whole winch us out of action when it does. Easy mod makes a difference.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...2020/04/38.jpg
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Yeah definatly, I did that on mine, quick easy & cheap. .
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Bloody legend you are. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Some photos of my own high mount mounted in an ARB on a GQ.
I cooked the original motor early last year so put the roadrunner bullet motor on and refurbished top and bottom using the std warn kits.
Seeing some of the mods suggested here next time it comes out will add them in.
Chose the roadrunner motor partly because it came with a breather fitting as std. The old motor had been modified with a breather.
As you say Mark it is shoehorned in. There are two ways to get mine out. Pull the bullbar off or pull the upper housing off then wriggle the bottom housing and drum out.
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Looks like you spaced that back a little Ryan? i have fitted a few into the ARB Deluxe bar and instead of spacing back i have notched the cross bar. looks tidy and give you a little more room at the back.
The winch and bulbar were on the vehicle when we bought it. The winch is mounted hard against the std mounting holes with no spacing. Yes its tight. The plastic grill has been trimmed and have a front mounted intercooler.
Cheers
Trevor
Cheers Trevor, that must be the Commercial bar ARB. Tidy, they have a bigger nose and designed for a himount. The deluxe bar needs a far bit of trimming to fit a himount in and a Big hole in the grille. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tryan277
Ok I have the Iskra in my hands. Now. @MB do I remove the plastic end piece or n the motor? As with it the motor won’t fit.
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