Pretty sure this pic has been on before but my wife found this on FaceAche and forwarded the pic to me.
WHY WE DON'T RECOVER USING A TOWBALL.
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Pretty sure this pic has been on before but my wife found this on FaceAche and forwarded the pic to me.
WHY WE DON'T RECOVER USING A TOWBALL.
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Yeah that has popped up here before but a good bump to the thread to remind new and old members what happens
Good bump Mego this thread should be permanently at the top of page one.
How many have joined and missed this important thread.
This is number one topic on this Forum and should remain so, not hidden a few rows back
What's scary is the number of people who say "woops" or "hahahha" or "I done that" when those pics get posted.
It shows how much education is still needed to show people the right and proper way to conduct themselves and their recoveries off road.
They're probably the same people who complain to 4wd Action about why should they pay money join a club or association to train to go wheeling......
What they don't understand is it's to keep the rest of us safe from morons.
Mid last month on a club trip in the wombat, we came across a couple of 4wds where one of the drivers was very lucky to be alive.
Yeap, tow ball recovery,
The ball came though the back window, and just clipped him on the way though.
He was hurt but survived - we had to get an ambulance in for him.
And an emergency dry cleaner too I suspect!Quote:
Originally Posted by GQ TANK
Glad people keep coming back to this thread unfortunately seems there's still to many people out there doing the wrong thing I induct this stuff to new employees at my work and yet the message doesn't get through I keep catching them doing the wrong thing last time I caught 2 of them they were trying to drag a car out of a ditch with that cheap $10.00 rope from Bunning's they were actually using it as a snatch strap when asked why they weren't using the snatch strap response was takes to long to get out and set up (there stored under the seat) at least ive had a win at work its now instant dismissal if a tow balls used for anything other than towing
Seems like it would be something easily overlooked.
Im sure alot of people look at it and thing "Oh looks strong enough" ....
Is it safe to use the hitch with tow ball removed and appropriate rated shackle?
Yes certainly. for that matter you could remove the hitch too and just stick your snatch strap into the receiver and place the pin through the loop of the snatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by santoitaliano
Yea most use a tongue which replaces the ball hitch and has a hole in the end for a 16mm bow shackle.
But as MR said you can always just insert the strap into the receiver and pin it.
Pin in the receiver is the simplest safe way IMO, the recovery hitches are good if you recover a lot. For me, I try to not need recovery so am happy to use the pin on the odd occasion it's needed.
Talking about that I was down at Preston beach on Sunday and saw a landrover bogged to the axles and his mate was getting ready to snatch him out using the tow balls on both cars. I went over to them and informed them that using towballs is not safe and showed them how to safely snatch a car out using the tow hitch pin. They were new to 4wding and did not know hopefully they won't make the same mistake again
Good job mate:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzalco
That's it mate education! You can stand back a say what a bunch of w#$kers, but if they don't know they need to be told, well done.
good stuff im still finding people out there are unbelievable I once helped a couple of guys out who were about to do a snatch off the towball stoped and gave em a hand while explaining the dos and don'ts about recovery anyway ran into them again later in the day and guess what snatch straight over the towball
Well its simple then... darwinism should come into play soon and you dont want to be near them.. Explain it once and how you are not telling just to make yourself look the know it all but for there own safety, if they take heed then good on them and well done but if they dont then...GET STUFFED!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by patrol2.8
Would it be ok to just put a D - shackle and snatch off it?
No mate not at all. That is a factory tie down point only and is designed to be used during shipping from Japan and if your car ever needs to go on a flat bead (touch wood)Quote:
Originally Posted by kind
Under No Circumstances should you every use it in any form of recovery.
Stay safe and thanks for asking.
Nah mate, that's just a tie down point used during shipping I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kind
Ok thanks I didnt think so but saw someon with shackles on so thought I would ask. Also is this a factory recovery point from the looks?Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Cheers mate,Quote:
Originally Posted by kind
Ys that is a pic of a Factory Nissan Recovery point. I use this on the front of my GUIV without hesitation. I have read stories though of them straightening out but am yet to see a photo of one that this has happened to and am not sure if its a wives tail or not mate. I use it.
Note*** I also try my best Not to get Stuck. When I do I consider the Maths before attempting any recovery.
Yeah thats why im asking I have never had to be recovered from the front cause im always the first one in hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
sometimes you cant get in front of the bogged vehicle and you cant turn around so you have to do a reverse snatch. Ugly but sometimes necessaryQuote:
Originally Posted by kind
Agree with you but its still bloody hard to turn away cause that thought goes through ya head what if I read about one of these guys getting belted in the head by a the ball in the morning paperQuote:
Originally Posted by Bloodyaussie
Attachment 37654 here is a pic I found a while ago, make what you want of it, I have posted it before. I believe the front hook is fine for recovery but like everything there are rules and it seems no side loading at all which is always hard to achieve when doing a recovery.... For what outback ideas charges and considering the quality of his recovery points they are almost a no brainer....
His points are brilliant...
Scotty
Thanks Scotty,Quote:
Originally Posted by rottodiver
I Note that they specifically state towing from Sand, Mud and Snow which i would consider for Snatch type recoveries so all is good. The reason they say not to undertake general Towing from this point is that the "Tow strap" can come off the hook as it is not a closed hook and can be dangerous.
I note that there is a hole other debate about the suitability of the Nissan Recovery points and i certainly use an Outback Ideas rear recover tow hitch on both cars that has seen a heap of work.
You ever removed the rear oem loop and seen how its held together? I was quite shocked to say the least.
Just to touch on the rear loop I know they weren't allowed on vic comp trucks
as is but I believe they could be used if they were welded on the other side.
But again no idea what swl or wwl you would achieve, similar with the front hook
some clubs allow them others don't, they do break and straighten but not as often as ppl think.
Like ALL recovery items they need to be checked and replaced if they look IFFY, this includes shackles , hooks ,
snatch blocks. Best thing would be do a recovery course so you can pass on good information to others who
may be "green" when it comes to this. We all have to learn at some stage and continue to learn, so stay safe
only one person directing the recovery ,please
Yes looks can be deceiving, the reality is that if you did manage to damage a factory point you are doing your recoveries wrong! You might have also damaged the chassis as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudski
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Originally Posted by mudski
Yeah my GQ was well held on and I incorporated those points into my rear bar when I made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by liftlid
I was shocked though when we pulled Healy's hook off to find it was held on by very little and the bolts certainly needed replacing. I note now though that we also saw that his rear brake line was fully rusted and as it turns out his Chassis rear end had Catestrophic rust that deemed the car a total loss. Disappointing. I wonder then if his fixings were not representative of most? My GQ certainly was well fixed. There is a cross brace from that fixing going above the fuel tanks diagonally to the chassis rails on both sides.
@ Kind is that a rear tie down point?. Best place to recover from the rear is any central point .
Most 4x4 have a class 2 tow hitch receiver and retrieving from a central position is ideal. As someone stated earlier
if you're straightening OE hooks you are doing it all wrong
In my job I would probably use my front recovery point on average over a week about 8-10 times to drag trees out of irrigation channels and around 4 snatches a week recovering work cars while I prefer to use the tow hitch where possible unfortunately there are places where I just cant do that if you take the time to assess the risks involved in every recovery then the front hook should be fine ive now had my patrol work ute for 5yrs and it has just about had everything thrown at it and dragged or snatched everything from trees to 4wds even tractors n trucks and the hook is still as strong as the day I got it
Hey Tas great job new sticker looks great
Thanks Mate
Good stuff mate. It fits nicely
Cheers:)
Bloody toyota drivers
I know of two incidents in QLD where ppl have been killed. PROMOTE THE MESSAGE!!
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Originally Posted by kind
OMG here in CR people already knows doing this is dangerous; but anyone i know have even see that happening.
Can I use te pic to show on a local (Costa Rican ) forum ?
Absolutely, spread the word. Send the message Global.Quote:
Originally Posted by edsnm
U was riding around in some fire trails today. Come across a couple of guys trying to snatch a hung up hilux out of the ruts.
Both cars has the strap over the towball. I told them it was a no go, and showed them to pull out the hitch and use the pin. (They had no recovery points.) they listened cause on my way baxk out the triton was hung up in a different set of ruts!
Cheers