ROLLED GU !, the full story with pics & video

Now the first time around, the panel shop took it upon themselves to apply stone gaurd spray to the sills (as you normally would) except, they got a bit carried away and put the stone gaurd all the way up onto the "doors".

In the pic below, the BLUE arrow shows the height they sprayed stonegaurd to up the side of the car, they then painted the white over it before i saw it, not only that, the mask line for the stonegaurd was not straight, and in some places went higher up the door.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6969aLarge.jpg


On seeing this, i expressed my absolute disgust, i said why on earth would they put the stonegaurd higher than factory/standard (how it was before), and if you thought it should be better half way up the door, you could have just "asked" me first before doing it !

As it turned out, about a "week later", they decided to paint the front gaurds and bonnet, now the stonegaurd also gets sprayed on the bottom of the gaurds from factory, but they somehow decided to paint the stonegaurd line "higher" , yes even higher than what was on the doors already, and to top it off, the line was not straight nor met the line on the doors !


At this point i suggested the stonegard needs to be removed as it looks ......errr....very bad ! (i used slightly different words)





Now to fix the stonegaurd, they sanded it all off the doors, i said i wanted it re-applied to the sills as they had not covered the sills properly (where i actually wanted it to go)

When respraying the doors white , they only sprayed half way up each door (instead of spraying the whole door/s) so i now have a paint/blend line about where the body mould goes, you can also see where they did not feather out the sanding line after removing the stonegaurd, and to top it off got paint runs along the bottom of the doors (as shown in the reflection pointed out by the RED arrow below)


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6969aLarge.jpg

Now, as you may have read, i spent a lot of time painting POR15 on my chassis rail and diffs etc, to my astonishment, when my sills got painted for the second time, they "forgot" to mask below the sills, so now white paint also got all over my nice new hand painted chassis and suspension arms etc, and being 2pak white paint, it wont just rub off with thinners.

They said oh we can paint black, i explained that it needed to be painted with 2pak black or something tuff that wont ever scratch/rub off exposing the crappy "white" colour underneath.

So what did they do........ spray underbody sealer over it, its a tar based product, weak as tomato sauce, and id already expressed i did NOT ,want any of it anywhere on my car as it remains tacky, so sand sticks to it, and it offers little protection, hence why i paid extra and painted POR15 and Stonegaurd everywhere (took me 3 days)

I got a bit off the chassis with solvent, you can see the mess im left with to clean and fix.....


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6948aLarge.jpg

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See the white lines (above) to the far right of the big white patch, i rubbed each one "once" lightly with my fingernail to expose the white underneath.



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They also got some black tar sealer on the sill, just incase i needed some more of it to clean off :frown:

Hi Steve, not sure if I remember this right and can't be f'd going through the post.....

You were insured, the insurance company wrote it off and paid you out, you bought it back off them and you are / where paying for this so called work out of your own pocket???

Due to the stuff ups with everything else, id never seen the gaurds "on" the car, now id checked the pearl and metallic finish, and they matched perfect, but it was not untill the gaurds got bolted on the car (right near the end) did i see they are a slightly different shade of white to the rest of the car ! (can't see in the photos)

I pointed this out within seconds of first seeing the gaurds on the car, basically after a 2 hour "discussion" it became clear they did not see a problem, and were not going to do anything about it.

Now the guy who painted my car no longer works there, he didn't write down or tell anyone how he mixed the paint,(i was supposed to get given the formula), so now nobody knows (yay !)




Since the car was painted white, i had to get a dent removed from the roof (that magically appeared) my dent guy did a brilliant job, and he also fixed stuff that was supposed to be filled/fixed, so i guess he saved me some bog.

When i picked up the car the engine check light was flashing, ive reset the ECU and seemed to be ok today, its also apparent the car has been getting rained on, as the dash has had water "pooled" on it from the looks of the marks...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6918aLarge.jpg

The A/C dash vents have faded from over exposure to UV, and most of the dash switches dont seem to work now.


Under the rear bar doors is a bit of the body id asked to get painted, they actually masked it off so NO white paint got on it, when driving behind the car ,you can see this strip between the barn doors and the bumper/step, so it needs to be painted as good as the other panels (well i guess it almost is really, lol)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6926aLarge.jpg

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Originally Posted by NissanGQ4.2

Is this peed off customer from the panel shop ur 4b was at or a different company all together???

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Same shop.

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Did you take your 4b to a panel shop or some bloke working form his backyard????

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Proper Panel Shop.

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Hi Steve, not sure if I remember this right and can't be f'd going through the post.....

You were insured, the insurance company wrote it off and paid you out, you bought it back off them and you are / where paying for this so called work out of your own pocket???

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Yes pretty much correct ^, im long past spending what $$ i got back, of course i have obviously spent extra $$ on some improvements, beyond just the "minimum" required things to repair the damage from the rollover, but this also does not consider the hours ive put in (and there has been a lot), and id be lying if a said it has not taken its toll the people side of things too.

You should name and shame the Panel shop for others in the Brisbane area to avoid.... Sorry to hear about all the fuss and mess to come of it.

This is the front of my chassis rail where the bull bar bolts on, you can see its been nudged into something, i know it was not like that when i painted it (with a brush) , not hard to fix, but i shouldn't have to..

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6940aLarge.jpg


So this is what i know of ATM, who know what else i find ?




After washing the dirt off the car, i also found they have "blended" the front of one gaurd after it obviously sustained some minor damage, so along with the blending on the botom of both gaurds (to repair where the stonegaurd was) plus the dodgy-ness on the doors, plus the colours, and the roof gutter etc etc, i have come to the conclusion, for me to be 100% happy, the car really needs a full respray !

I started to pull the dash apart tonight, ive got the fascia removed.....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6995aLarge.jpg


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Ill need to strip the rest down more for cleaning/fixing, plus remove the steel frame so i can get rid of the rust and paint it, as well as clean the switches etc.

Shit ..... sometime ya wonder why you put yourself through it hey mate!!!!!

I guess you just have to stay focused and keep on course to see it done.

I feel for you.

This pic shows the colour difference between the front gaurds and the doors, its hard to show in the pics, but you can still see, (in particular the lower areas) ,the different shades of white, with the door more "yellow" when compared to the gaurd.


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...colourfail.jpg



There are 2 shades/mixes (depending on exact year of release) to my cars white paint code, one year has more Ocher (yellow/brown) tinter than the other, so basically, the same paint code (QM1), has 2 variations, i really suspect they may have got these confused ?

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Shit ..... sometime ya wonder why you put yourself through it hey mate!!!!!

I guess you just have to stay focused and keep on course to see it done.

I feel for you.

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Yes thanks mate, its now a case of, the hole is too deep to climb out of, so now i have no choice but to just keep digging untill i get to the end, i can think of better things id rather be doing thats for sure.

At least i have it all back in my hands so have full control over what happens to it now, this should at least speed up the process, and limit the f@*k-ups !

I do have a bit of a plan, and i have arranged to have a new painter come and sight the car sometime over the next few weeks, we have discused colours over the phone, and if all goes to plan, ill have a potential paint date around a month from now. :tongue:

This is unbelievable aye. What are these people doing for the money they get paid let alone pride in their work. Does your insurance cover workmanship of repairs? You can earn big dollars being a good painter so I dont understand why you wouldnt put your best effort into this sort of stuff. Good luck with it all steve hopefully we can go a trip before the end of the year. If ya need a hand with reassembly just shout out

wow! what a mission, a least your in control now as you said. Hope she goes back together ok and is better than before!

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This is unbelievable aye. What are these people doing for the money they get paid let alone pride in their work. Does your insurance cover workmanship of repairs? You can earn big dollars being a good painter so I dont understand why you wouldnt put your best effort into this sort of stuff. Good luck with it all steve hopefully we can go a trip before the end of the year. If ya need a hand with reassembly just shout out

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They could not see "anything" wrong with it Mat, despite all my explaining/complaining, im still left wondering how they can charge for a full respray, then let me leave, knowing im unhappy enough to want to get the car painted again !

No Insurance co is involved, its me paying the panel shop direct, I perhaps could have got them to re-paint the gaurds, but to be honest, looking at what they have already done to fix previous stuff ups, and the fact they can't actually see what they are supposed to fix, its pretty much guaranteed im still not going to get the job i want.


As for the trips, ive given up guessing when its going to be ready, im hanging to do a trip away with all everyone again thats for sure, thanks for the offer on putting her back together, ill let you know should the time come, as you can see im still pulling it "apart" at the moment :tongue:

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wow! what a mission, a least your in control now as you said. Hope she goes back together ok and is better than before!

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Thanks mate, it is a bit of a mission ,im a little spurred on again now, with thoughts of what i have in mind for the new paint job, if it all goes to plan, it should look pretty trick when its all done, im gonna take the "bling" factor up a notch this time i think ! :wink:

sounds great, keep us posted with pics and posts etc, love to see the final result.

So i had a look at my grille today, the panel shop painted this as well, it looks like it was masked up by a child.....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/p.jpg

And overspray everywhere that looks like it was sprayed from the rear, pretty much making it quite a mess....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/o.jpg




Not nearly as much as a mess as the half job they did of rustproofing the car, what idiot rustproofs one side of a car (not the side that was rolled on) , look at this mess on my door hinges.....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/r.jpg

No rustproofing on the passenger side.....


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/t.jpg

Perhaps they did not want to cover up the rubber they sprayed white ???

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/s.jpg




Again, drivers side rear gaurd (rustproofed) .....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/y.jpg

Passenger side (that got repaired) nothing....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/x.jpg


Roof cavity , no rustproofing.....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/a1-1.jpg


FAIL !

I cleaned up my dash, and got some re-conditioner off my vinyl guy that brought it back to life quite nice....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/i.jpg


I also got him to re-colour the leather on my steering wheel, it got really trashed at the paint shop, looks good again now....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/h.jpg


The rusted metal dash support got acid washed, rust converted, primed, then painted white, came up nice....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/q.jpg



I proceeded to clean all my heater fan controls, the parts behind the dash, then the conrols themselves, everything was clogged with sand......

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/b.jpg

Top view of controls before cleaning....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/a.jpg


This was inside the fan speed switch....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/c.jpg


I then spent hours painstakingly dismantalling "every" single switch on the dash, cleaning, lubing and re assemble..

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/l.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/d.jpg

This included the lights/indicater stalk...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/f.jpg

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Cruise control buttons...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/n.jpg

Wiper combination stalk was a little tricky to get apart, but got there in the end....

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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/j.jpg

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I then had to remove sand from the gauge cluster, i had to strip it all apart as sand had got inside, all over the actual gauges themselves.


After cleaning...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...3102012670.jpg


Still much to do....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/z.jpg


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Mate i don’t know how you do it ! i would have given up long ago and bought another one even if i had to settle on a GQ if funds were limited, i admire your persistence

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i admire your persistence

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exactly, same here.

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i admire your persistence

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exactly, same here.

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Sure you don't mean, "pity my stupidity" ? (lol) ;)


Seriously tho, thanks guys, i can make things happen a lot faster now im back in charge of everything, one day this will all be a bad memory !

It looks like scotty was around practicing on your car before he did the young fellas :p lol. I have said it before steve I dont know where you find the time and what you do with that time is nothing short of amazing. Keep at it mate looking forward to the final product which should be better than new.

Cheers

Jesus mate you are seriously going the whole hog, not gonna be a single screw or bolt that you haven't undone! As been said, admire your persistence!

Onya Steveo!! Just read the post re rustproofing and the attempt at painting the grille. WHAT A MOB OF @#$%S

Stripped out the pedals for treatment, as they also had surface rust...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/aa1.jpg


Serviced the brake pedal swith and cruise pedal switch.


Also went to town on the A/C fan, came up like new..


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/aa2.jpg


Most parts behind the dash reconditioned and back where they should be, plus all the wire loom/s back in place...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/aa4.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/02ard/aa5.jpg


Should be able to get the dash back on soon ;)


Its nice to be putting stuff back together for a change.

Good place to hide the amp! Damn this thing is gonna be 10 times better than brand new!

How did you go so much sand and rust inside? Was that from the trip home without a windscreen?

When I rolled, I should have taped a plastic over my windscreen for the trip home (~4hours). It must have rained the whole way, and made a mess inside.

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Good place to hide the amp!

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Yeh, it keeps protected up out of the way from any sand dirt or water etc, well ,it did untill the car was upside down (lol)

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How did you go so much sand and rust inside? Was that from the trip home without a windscreen?

When I rolled, I should have taped a plastic over my windscreen for the trip home (~4hours). It must have rained the whole way, and made a mess inside.

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Not from the trip home.

99% of the sand in all the switches etc was all my fault, sandblasting the floor (inside the car), then air blowing, sand just goes "everywhere", i repeated this many times to get every last bit of surface rust gone, not understanding the extra work i was creating for myself.

As for the rust on the dash support etc, this is surley caused by the car getting left outside by the panel shop, and everything exposed to the elements for so long with no windows.

Many of those internal metal parts are bare metal from factory, (look up under your dash and you will see on your own car) a very small amount of surface rust on these parts on a 10+ year old car, would be 100% normal, mine was a bit more rusty than id ever be happy with, now its got 4 coats of paint on it, so i don't expect it to rust again. :smile:

i tell ya what mate, your persistence is inspirational. i hope that once its all done you can really get out and enjoy what should be like a brand new car!!! thumbs up for ya pal!

The clock spring (behind the steering wheel) sounded a bit crusty, so i pulled it apart for cleaning (nothing escapes ,lol) if you have never seen inside one, the white ribbon wire is how the airbag and cruise control signals get passed, yet still allow the wheel to turn.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...7013aLarge.jpg



I also pulled the IGN switch apart, not really any sand inside, but needed cleaning from the years of use anyway.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...7021aLarge.jpg


I got some new foam to seal around the top of the A/C vent box where it meets the dash, once this was on i could fit the dash.



As it looks tonight...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...7025aLarge.jpg

:pLooks like you missed a spot mate!

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:pLooks like you missed a spot mate!

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Where, where ! ........ :eek: (ha-ha)

It's parked in my shed :p

I cant believe you have handled this so well mate. I worked in the smash repair industry for 15 years as a spray painter. I've never seen such dodgy work in my life. Even an apprentice knows when your painting a metallic or pearl you have to have paint all panels fitted to the car. Now with 3 layer pearls and special effects such as cyrillic, Harlequins etc when touching up it usually requires respraying the whole side not trying to blend it half way up the side of the car. This is borderline on total stupidity and total laziness.

As for the sealer not being put in prior to painting that should have been done the very next day after priming and I didn't know doing a straight line and coping the factory stone guard was that hard. As for putting pearl in the clear coat that is something you would hear a backyarder do. There is no car on the market today or ever that has the pearl in the clear. They are all done as 3 layer pearls where a base is put down followed by the pearl in a binder followed by the clear coat. Over a period of time when polishing the car the pearl can tear out leaving tiny pinholes. It's not a pretty look and I hope these idiots atleast put one cost of clear over i without pearl in it.

I really have my doubts whether there was even a tradesman painter working in that shop. I sorry to hear you had to go though this crap and fortunately you would be lucky to find another shop that bad.

There are still heaps of dodgy shops out there but there couldn't be to many that bad surly.

Good luck with it all mate and I hope it all works out for you.

Cheers Mick.

Thanks Mick, very much appreciate your comments !

Yeh look, i can tell you its not all how i planned it to go, and id be lying if i said it has not caused me some stress, but, i realise life could be so much worse, and for some people it really is, so onward with happy face i shall go ! :biggrin:

It was hard for me to see what was happenig to the car, im not a painter/panel beater, but i found myself getting confused at the backward way things got done, as they are the "pro's" i felt i could not tell them how to do stuff (i tryed by asking questions about methods), at the end of the day, im just glad i did the major repair work myself, so at least i know thats right.

I recently found they had also bogged over one of the holes for the roof/barn door seal, id missed this in my check, and i was lucky to find it at this stage.




My bro in law is going to do a full respray for me (colour and effect), he is a ex pro painter and painted my torrie for me about 10 years ago, and has much pride in his work, he knows im quite fussy and will do things exactly as i want without talking me out of harder stuff.

We are pretty much going "all out" with the paint this time, im having "what i want", not what i can afford, not whats easy, nor probly whats practical, but i figure the friggin paint will owe me so much $$, i now want it to look obvious, and like its been worth it !


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BTW, the dash is all back in and looks great, i started the car, and to my relief, no fault lights, and ALL the switches and everything i had apart, now work perfect (some smoother than when i bought the car)

Wow mate great write up and its great that no one was hurt.
Plus it looks like you really know your car inside and out now :)

A simply amazing effort mate. You're going to end up with an incredible new truck and a wealth of knowledge gained from the experience.

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Thanks Mick, very much appreciate your comments !

Yeh look, i can tell you its not all how i planned it to go, and id be lying if i said it has not caused me some stress, but, i realise life could be so much worse, and for some people it really is, so onward with happy face i shall go ! :biggrin:

It was hard for me to see what was happenig to the car, im not a painter/panel beater, but i found myself getting confused at the backward way things got done, as they are the "pro's" i felt i could not tell them how to do stuff (i tryed by asking questions about methods), at the end of the day, im just glad i did the major repair work myself, so at least i know thats right.

I recently found they had also bogged over one of the holes for the roof/barn door seal, id missed this in my check, and i was lucky to find it at this stage.




My bro in law is going to do a full respray for me (colour and effect), he is a ex pro painter and painted my torrie for me about 10 years ago, and has much pride in his work, he knows im quite fussy and will do things exactly as i want without talking me out of harder stuff.

We are pretty much going "all out" with the paint this time, im having "what i want", not what i can afford, not whats easy, nor probly whats practical, but i figure the friggin paint will owe me so much $$, i now want it to look obvious, and like its been worth it !


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BTW, the dash is all back in and looks great, i started the car, and to my relief, no fault lights, and ALL the switches and everything i had apart, now work perfect (some smoother than when i bought the car)

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I think thaats the best way to go. Just rub it all down and start again. At least it should only need a good wet rub and paint but I think it will look heaps better when it's all one colour again. I'd also ask your brother in-law to spray it in a ceramic based clear. They are heaps harder to scratch and doesn't pin stripe like normal paints. I resprayed my patrol in it at the beginning of the year and after a good wash it still looks like new.

I worked for a Lexus repairer for about 15 years so we never cut corners on anything but it wasn't unusual for insurance companies to send us rectification jobs from other panel shops. We had one which was a Lexus that had been resprayed by another shop 3 times because the woman wasn't happy with it. She wanted a new car and the insurance company wouldn't do it. In all honesty she was going over board with what she was picking. She was using a magnifying glass to pick defects in the paint. The insurance assessor who had been dealing with her quit his job, PPG told her she was an idiot and wiped there hands of it. The panel shop even offered to buy her a new Lexus but at this stage she said no thats what I wanted and you wouldn't give me one so now you can get this car like new.

So the insurance company approached us and asked us would we fix it. My boss said yes but only on the terms that it's a do and charge and no agruments or cutting corners. This car needed a full paint strip inside and out of all door opening. Even the sealers around the bonnet and boot had to be removed and the enginebay had to be resprayed. I was close to telling my boss to stick his job and do it himself as this woman was just a trouble making bitch.

Once I had finished the paint job which took me close to 10 weeks as no one else was allowed to touch it. She had an inspector from the insurance company and PPG come and check over all the paint work. They passed it and said it looks good. Then she flew a paint inspector in from Melbourne to mark each panel out of 100 and I had to get 95 or higher for each panel for her to accept the car.

Luckily I passed all the stupid tests. When she eventually come in to pick up the car she didn't even look at it she gave my boss a cuddle and a kiss and thanked him for all his help and told him no one else will ever touch her car again or her other Lexus and BMW.lol

So if you think your fussy your got nothing on this woman.:biggrin:

Cheers Mick.

Wow, that lady sounds like a bit of a cow, offered a "new" car and thats not good enough :jawdrop:




All im really after is a job as good as the paint finish from factory, and as you will know thats no show car paint job, all the same colour will be a start, plus im very happy with a bit of orange peel ,after all, if its a super flat finish ,i know ill have to spend another 100 hours on the panels !


I was/am interested in the ceramic clear (ill bring this up with my bro-in-law), i would be interested in any info you had about brands and methods please Mick.

We plan on painting the car base white (ive owned a car in this colour before and love how super bright it is), then over the top HOK white ice pearl (glass flake), then clear, obvoiusly a process like this ,requires sanding back multiple coats/layers of clear to hide the peaks of the flake.

And hope should look something along the lines of below....... this is GM base white, then 4 oz = 2 mist coats of white ice, clear, this car has a vinyl roof, so im working on getting 6 oz for the troll and hope to have a bit left over ?


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3.../whiteice1.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3.../whiteice2.jpg


Im guessing you can just add the ceramic clear over the top of "normal" clear, so you are not trying to sand the ceramic stuff ?

wow im speachless

With paint brands you would be best off with sticking with something your brother in law feels comfortable with as every brand is so different to use especially when doing custom stuff. Personally I've always liked Sikins even when I was a technical paint rep for a company selling Glasurit. lol

As you said above you would clear it with a standard clear first and rub that down and use the Ceramic clear last when you do your flow coat. Ceramic clear has very low film build so it will have minimum orange peel too.

Your using a spray booth to do this to aren't you? If not I wouldn't be real contfortable doing a 3 layer let alone using ceramic clear as you only have 12 to 24 hours to denib the job and after that you cant buff the scratches out. Without a spray booth and a large 4wd there would be to many bit of crap in the paint to remove in the small time frame.

Cheers Mick.