Wow! Looks like it was rope too and not steel cable.
I did not think the danger was there when using rope. Clearly there is!
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Wow! Looks like it was rope too and not steel cable.
I did not think the danger was there when using rope. Clearly there is!
If it can store energy chances are it has the ability to mame or even worse kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winnie
As you know you cant let your guard down for one second, cause pretty sure it will
bite and bite hard.
YET IT CONTINUES NOT TO SINK IN GRrrrrrr
OUCH, how do you know it was rope, can't really see in the pic or that might just be me ? . .
Looks as tho it is well and truly sinking in with that dude lol . . .
Looks like you can see a bit of orange rope but that could just be his insides...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossco
I thought it looked like Plasma style rope you can see the layers
@Rossco he'll have plenty of time to think about it
doesnt look like thats going to heal in a week or so
Fitting proper recovery points to your vehicle protects the other vehicle, theirs may not be as robust as yours and fail first.
I'm an electrician and have to learn CPR, won't help me but I make sure anyone working with me knows what to do.
Snatch straps should be made with a stitched joint in the middle that will fail when extreme force is applied, and a damper built in either side.
Best demonstration of the forces of moving objects I've seen was,
Dvive a six inch nail 1inch into a tree, hang a lump hammer off it with about 2 foot of rope. All good. Lift hammer up to nail and let go. Either nail bends or pulls out.
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Bloody awful picture, but one worth sharing. I hope the bloke in it is not someone close to anyone here.
Well that's put me off my dinner, very lucky only his arm, definitely something to remember - to stop me doing something stupid without stopping and thinking first.
@MudRunnerTD any way to have this thread at the top permanently??
so ppl wont need to search,,,,,,just a thought ,,,,,,
Just re-posting this pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggy
In what way John???? as a link on the red / grey bar????Quote:
Originally Posted by threedogs
It is already a sticky thread in the 4x4 safety sub forum
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Originally Posted by Doggy
Thanks for the heads up. Just recently getting into it. Always good to hear experience.
Cheers,
Just saw this on Facebook and need to share it here. Note I don't agree that it must have been a rusty Towball. A Brand New Towball will hurt just as much when it takes your head off!!
Anyone who thinks this is a myth is a Dickhead!
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...017/03/228.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...017/03/229.jpg
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...017/03/230.jpg
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OMG , how did she survive that ?
by inches mate!! imagine if you had your family in the car when that happened and one of your kids was sitting in the middle of the back seat!Quote:
Originally Posted by GQtdauto
Obviously the message isn't getting out there. She is so very lucky not to be in a casket.
I thought these guys used the towball, but on closer inspection you can see they have wrapped the snatch strap to pull on the tongue. ( at the 3;50 mark.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rts6Jk-VwzU
Here is an old story from 2011 that i had not read before but found on a Facebook page today
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2011-0...cident/2848762
If you use a towball now knowing that for any purpose other than towing you're trying to win a Darwin Award .
I've learnt through experience that there may not be a thing called 'common sense' any more.
People either know it, or they don't.
The workplace is a great example........"I wasn't trained it in it, therefore I'm not responsible".
It is up to people like us to spread the word and educate people, that it's NOT SAFE to simply hook up a rope to a tow ball and fang it!
I'd say a Towball failure occurred here
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...017/06/160.jpg
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Fkn hell. I just watched a seriously graphic video following a tow ball snapping during a snatch attempt ... Tow ball to blokes jaw. Unreal.
Do not use tow balls as recovery points !!!!!
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Yeah, it’s pretty fuked up vidQuote:
Originally Posted by Hodge
................on the road
i justr watched onme seems to be the same,,it wasn't on the towball,looks like it was through the reece hitch sort of thing asnd the whole lot must have broke off...def not towball
Just saw this on faceache, miracle that no one was hurt or killed....snatching off 2 towballs
https://www.facebook.com/theJacked4x...2146054803530/
I have seen two guys in Toyota utes using a snatch strap from towball to towball. Having seen how they got stuck I realised trying to give friendly advice wasn't an option so stayed behind my 4by. Luckily on that occasion no one was killed so they will continue under the delusion that it's safe.
Have seen your other posts and reckon you are a good hearted bloke Ratpol mate! They must have been real kid less arseholes for you to not intervene educated good bloke ;-)!
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Folks, I just saw something a little concerning.
I was just Driving behind a 4wd who had a snatch strap hanging out of his canopy ...
Car was putrid so he's obviously been off the tarmac.
Nothing unusual , see that often.
However . At the end of the strap was flat plate with an eyelet that was hooked over his towball.
It almost looked like a huge bottle opener. And this didn't look like a home job either , looked like a professionally made bit of gear.
I couldn't take a snap of it as I was driving ...
But has anybody seen anything like it before ???
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Yep I have. Guillotine!!!
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So instead of the strap loop going around the tow ball, this plate does? So you would potentially have two metal objects hurtling toward the rear car?
Makes sense to share I guess...one missile for the driver and one for the navigator :-(
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from the description it sounds like an eye we use to lift skips/bins. We have four lock posts on each side of a bin and two chains with the eyes on each side. These lock over the posts and the boom lifts the bin. If you use the outer posts on esch side the lift is higher allowing you to kift the bin to the front of the tray. Anyway thats what it sound like. On the bins you are slow lifting a known max weight not a stretch/snatch pull, so they are rated differently to a tow/snatch device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hodge
The item described is what is/was known in my experience as a Recovery Plate but will have other nsmaes as well I reckon.
They are designed to drop over the Tow Ball and then slide back so the shank of the Tow ball is in the narrow keyway of the plate.
Recovery Plates pre-date kinetic recovery and most Billet Hitch Receivers, indeed they probably date back to the 1930's.
Like anything, when used correctly on maintained equipment fit for purpose and by trained people they are perfectly OK.
When wrongly used for kinetic recovery or by untrained people they are indeed a potential missile if the Ball lets go.
On the Farm in the olden days we would have a couple in every Tractor (usually home made jobbies).
They were only recently removed from Emergency Services Recovery Kits (last 5 maybe 10 years or so) over here but even when available were only for use by Recovery Techs and not general members
They are readily available commercially (here is one version) https://www.theballhooker.com/
Damn. So It's its more common than I thought.
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Slowly does it ‘dragging’ as ET and his kind link describe would be key here. We have ‘drag chained’ decent logs off ball chain hooks and it certainly does give a scary chassis stretching wallop if over 5kmph. Pays to chamfer off the logs leading edge and just slowly chug along in case a nasty big rock is hiding under the paddock!
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There is a fault in their logic...
I quote
"The moment the throttle is blipped or traction changes, stresses beyond the towball’s capabilities will be introduced,"
I call Bullshit.
There will be absolutely no difference in the 'stress introduced' when the "throttle is blipped or traction changes" whether the load is connected directly to the Ball (think A frame or Tow Hitch) or by the Tow Strap to the Ball.
Totally different matter if some numpty uses a Kinetic Strap or Rope tho.
I absolutely agree that will not end well.
I know of no fatalities or injuries over the many, many years of use of Recovery Plates due to a Plate or Ball failure in static operations (winching, towing, stump pulling, fence straining, water skiing (don't ask!!!)...
BUT
In this world where we need to protect people from themselves agree they probably shouldn't be commercially available.
Disclaimer... there may have been injuries/deaths and if so feel free to pop up a linky
Sense and sensibility. Tow with a tow ball. Revover sans towball.Quote:
Originally Posted by the evil twin