ooooooohhhhhh the truth will be exposed!!
And what does "they made their bed they can lie in it" mean? Are they trying to suggest that the show organisers are in some way going to pay for their decision?? hmmmmmm........
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ooooooohhhhhh the truth will be exposed!!
And what does "they made their bed they can lie in it" mean? Are they trying to suggest that the show organisers are in some way going to pay for their decision?? hmmmmmm........
I think that the problem is that there is no inbetween market anymore. All the jobs we do at work are either for companies who can't afford stuff all, or for a big company that says "these are the standards required, how much will it cost? Ok we will pay."
Maintenance schedules in industry have become so tight. As my companies primary business is boilers, the law requires that they be serviced at certain industries, so these are carried out. Yet we also service associated equipment. 80% of the time the 'Service" is a quick temporary repair to 'get them out of trouble until they can repair it properly' 70% of the time the temporary repair becomes permanent.
I am sick of doing a job that is crap because the customer can't afford the correct materials and enough time to do it properly. I am sick of replacing a part knowing full well that it will be dead in 12 months because of poor quality. I try to take pride in my work, but when when you are told to do it as cheap as possible, that is quite hard to achieve.
Now I know this has nothing to do with 4wding, Tigrez11 or roo systems, but it is related.
They have come in at the bottom of the market, selling to people who really can't afford it. As such, they have offered what is very appealing to every industry, and person. More for less. All that now matters is the $ figure that comes out of your pocket today. They have not got quality materials, they have not put enough time into labour, and the result is failure 12 months down the track.
But back to my point. there is no middle market. They have all shut down. because people who have the cash and do a bit of reaserch will go for the high end items. Like ARB. People who were saving for a middle order item opted to go for cheaper because they couldn't afford top end, and cheaper meant getting said item today, instead of a few months down the track. It looked the same as middle order, obviously not quite top end, but the price difference is enough to sway you. The middle market dies because it is undercut. Unfortunately, this is where all the bargains where to be had. From what I have seen, this is where Great Southern Camping is aiming. And I think before to long it will take off as people realize that it is where to put your cash.
My 2c - please don't disregard it because I'm young.
Cheers!
I think I'll go get some popcorn and sit back and wait for Roo systems ta spill the beans lol, they are notappyjan!!Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
Cheers, the ferret.
lol yeah but it wont be them spilling the beans in a fair and unbiased way though.Quote:
Originally Posted by the ferret
Ha ha, I used ta do the 4x4 shows, then in comes the Chinese crap, up goes the site rental, have to hire their tents $$$$, glad to be out of the rat race, then a big mob buys some of ya stuff, and bingo. all copied and made from crap as well.
I did enjoy the Brizzy shows tho!!
Mmmmm, popcorn's good!
Cheers, the ferret.
mmmmm popcorn, social media and friends of this Forum 4WDTV have mentioned a few things on there Facebook Page..... Not looking good for the big Mag
Hahaha, just saw that tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Forced Offroad
OFFROADING MAGAZINE - Roothy and the crew at 4WD Action have posted a video stating Tigerz 11 have been banned from the upcoming Melbourne 4x4 Show.
"Roothy, you are an icon of 4WDing in Australia with many people looking up to you and supporting your great causes. You have and are doing a lot of great work for the offroading cause. However, you have really stuffed up this time because you DO know that the content of the video is factually incorrect. It is un-Australian to misconstrue the facts for your own advantage and to the disadvantage of exhibitors who actually booked a space at the show. Restore you honour and great image and retract your misconstrued video."
Offroading Online Magazine has an affiliation with the Melbourne 4x4 Show in that we are paid by Tony Whateley of the Loveday Extreme Team to take photographs of his event as well as the show in general.
4WDTV - Most reputable 4x4 accessory companies have pulled out of the magazine, if roo and tigerz are not at the 4x4 show it is another positive step forward for an industry that is under attack from a greedy and misguided organisation. Roothy's video has been a massive flop...the backlash is widespread and it has highlighted some of the hidden truths about their actions. It is un Australian to import cheap, inferior and dangerous Chinese copies. It is also un Australian to label reputable Australian companies who spend millions locally on R&D, design, testing, manufacturing and employ thousands of Australians as un Australian...wake up people! Who has the industry turned against? Who is flooding the market with inferior and cheap copy product? Who has a financially vested interest in 2 of their advertisers? Who is swapping ad space for profit without paying the appropriate tax and GST? Which advertising platform is now a retailer...a conflict of interest? Unethical, unfair, unreasonable, illegal...and un Australian!
...but it gets better after that.....lol
Well there you go...... Now I can understand why someone has been complaining about Wholesale Automatics customer service, now in bed with roo and emg
yeah i have just been reading that too. Ive never been on facebook before but this is too good to miss so i got my girlfriend to log in for me lol. I did notice that Roothy's vid isnt there anymore. Or am i just cr@p at navigating the facespace?
Last time I subscribed to 4WD Action, I was to get a free toolkit. It took 5 months to show up and then after its second use out on the track the ratchet in the socket driver didn't work.......
Total rubbish. Got a roll to wrap up my decent tools with though, shame its got Roothys bonce on it!
Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....
http://video.4wdaction.com.au/video/...tion+Marketing
I dont know if this has been put up yet but here is the Vid smothered in advertising and subscription deals.
Making it a sales opportunity isn't making them look any better FFS.
Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....
ahhh there it is! thanks, i must have got mixed up (again). But tell me this: What 4wda video isnt smothered in advertising and subscription deals!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forced Offroad
they are nothing BUT a sales oppoturnity!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
Bloody oath.. this I think will be a long long fall from the false top...Quote:
Originally Posted by Forced Offroad
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories
So what is the go with all this? From what I have just read, they haven't been banned at all but that's the story Roothy is telling.
What's going down?
Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....
You're telling the story ;) LOL .....so what else did you just read???Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewboyaus
So did they not even book a spot and just expect to get one>??????????Quote:
Originally Posted by Nisshead
Look like they didn't or stuffed up some where with there booking for the Show and this ban is a self advertising stunt gone wrong.
Show promotors have mentioned they are not banned and I dont think ever were... There a places still left,
This is just a low move from EMG and 4wdaction... not looking good for them
Good pickup...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by growler2058
Bunch of morons!! Looks like their stunt has backfired badly and even calling others unAustralian ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Forced Offroad
Jeez bored of this now........ Guess they've got everyone talking about them, so if that's what they were after that's what they got
Don't slap it, tap it!!!!
Short and sweet. I don't agree with what tigerz and roo systems are doing, and I certainly wouldn't buy their stuff after all the bad things I've read about them.
However I don't use my camping stuff everyday and I just cannot justify spending mega bucks on the 'top' quality gear. I try to shop mid range, stuff that isn't super cheap and nasty, but doesn't cost a mint. All I want is somthing that will last me a weekend here and a week there, anymore than that and I think I would be wasting my money. I'm sure alot of other younger guys on here and some of the older ones too agree?
Tappin
well boys this just came up on the 4wd tv facebook page written by the national 4x4 and outdoor show
"Hi all,
I'd just like to make quite clear that Tigerz11 and Roo Systems were not "banned" from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, as 4WD Action and Roothy so incorrectly, irrationally and embarrassingly stated.
The fact is that they had not rebooked their stands for the 2013 show when they had to opportunity to do so and they were consequently on sold. We offer first-right-of-refusal to ALL previous show exhibitors, but after countless phone calls and emails to 4WD Action (4WD Action manage the show bookings for Tigerz and Roo... no surprise there!) we had no reply.
When they did finally wake up to the fact the Melbourne 4x4 Show was fast approaching they attempted to book in, but unfortunately due to the high demand for exhibition space this year, coupled with the fact they requested a larger stand indoors for Tigerz11 which we did not have, we just couldn’t accommodate them. Instead of enquiring on an option outdoors for the Tigerz11 or Roo stands, they cracked the sad’s and we didn’t hear from them again… until now.
In the end, it was the stupidity of 4WD Action to claim they were banned from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, Roothy to shoot off his mouth, without first finding out all the facts (geez Roothy what's happened to you mate, you used to be an iconic and respectable face of the 4wd community... and a valued guest of the 4x4 shows) but the icing on the cake.., to send out a newsletter and mail out to their members, complaining they were banned (opportunity again to have another winch and roof top tent sale) which was a complete and utter lie.
All's I can say, if 4WD Action continue down this path - so very far from the respectable magazine that once was - they'll only succeed in burying themselves. They’ve lost the respect of the National 4x4 Show, the respect of the Industry, the respect of so many of their loyal followers and they’ll never be invited to exhibit at our 4x4 shows ever again.
Regards,
Paul Morgan
Event Manager
Just as I predicted, not banned at all. Their trash magazine and hosts aren't worth the Chinese paper they print on!
Useless magazine
That's all that is worth saying
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No, like Young and Restless mixed with Days of our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plasnart
Tis quite humorous to finally find out the truth.
Poosystems and Figers11 were shafted by their owners. Great job o'foolish one.
Smashed, only if they listened to the reader and didn't get so greedy
Hahaha, couldn't put it better myself.. I think the magazine and the clowns there would be in damage control right now...possibly looking for new careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plasnart
I had 1 1/2 packets of buttered microwave popcorn reading the truth....
I have sooooooooooooo many comments to make in this thread - but I KNOW I will pi$$ off a lot of people........
end of the day - the Organizers of the Melbourne show have stated that EMG didnt book space in time, and it happens.
EMG now say its UN-Australian of the Show Organizers -
and every 4wd forum (most I have looked at) are having a field day about cheap and shoddy V's expensive and quality
me.........? I think its funny
cheers
Should this be made into a STICKY?
Great story/advice on how not to manage your business - Could be a real help to those starting up their own businesses!
The perfect storm..
;)
I am made up of the following parts.. Black Irish / Gypsy / Tattoo's and Grumpiness.. and this was sent from my phone using Tapatalk!
I am having trouble absorbing the latest turn of events.
What the hell were the Mag/Tiger/Roo team thinking to head down the path they have chosen, that fella Paul Morgan has obviously had enough of them and probably the same can be said for a lot of us out here in consumer land.
Hard to see a business strategy here, but funnier things have happened before.
Just shows you what type of people they are when they try to dish out so much bullshirt to the buying public.
The public are their customers, their mainstay and can not be lied to.
Cheers, the ferret.
maybe they were holding out for a "bigger and better" stand inside than out
and thought the video would pressure them in to giving it to them..................
and it sort of backfired????
cheers
Un Australian :)
Un Australian
4wdaction are soon to reply on there forum, apparently where in for a rude shock for speculating.
Lol anyone got any popcorn left? I ate all mine last night!
FanTapstic!
Ding,,,,,,,,,, Round two,,,,,,,,,,,,, what no chicks with round cards...., bummer
$20 on the come out stating is was a planned media stunt and sorry it got outta hand... :rolleyes:
Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories