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Originally Posted by MQ MAD

Arent you the one that tells people that illegal lifts are fine and noone ever gets caught ???
ALL the mod laws you can or cant do are on the QLD DOT website
4 " lift never ever or ever will be legal, no mud flaps at rear not legal ,and your running no rear bar, thats a safety issue,then throw in 35 " tyres that arent legal either
I dont feel sorry for anyone who flaunts with the rules,gee the rules are the most common thing talked about ....

Get no sympathy vote from me .....

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Yeah ok i wasn' after sympathy, just thought i would share my story.
For starters i had fabricated a rear bard and was about to fit it and its all done now with new mud flaps.
As for the lift, well he never said 4 inches was illegal, he said that it could only be one third less or more than the standard distance between bump stops.
I am not pissed at the inspectors for doing thier job. They had alot of good info to give me and i asked a ridiculous amount of questions. I am not just some baffoon with a shitbox 4x4. I have this thing set up to go the places i want to go. The point was made that there are so many regulations that change frequently it is hard for everyday people to know the laws. They are different in every state.
The inspector even gave me the phone number of the office for me to call to discuss any further questions i had in relation to vehicle mods.
This whole thing has prompted me to make some changes i had been thinking about anyway, just a bit sooner than i was thinking.
I only run 33" muds and they were not mentioned. I want to run 35's to get more diff clearance but am going to lower the lift.


I honestly belive that alot of the regulations in this country are way over the top, not only in motoring but in construction, mining etc. In america you can have ridiculous mods to cars, you can carry a hand gun in public, they have the same litigation problem this country has, its just that we now have laws and regulations for everything and they tax everything else. Its hard to keep up with.

I am a motoring enthuasist and have several cars that may be beyond the legal limits imposed by the DOT (Department of Transport). High powered muscle cars and modified 4x4's which are both targeted and branded as hoons. I also have owned and read the QLD regs. Alot is determined by the authorised engineer and can be blue plated but there are alot of very big grey areas. I intend to make alot of contact with the DOT to get my ducks in a row and get a good knowledge of the regulations.

On another note RACQ said they wouldn't insure me because the value of the accessories fitted to the GQ were more that one third of the value of the vehicle. Not sure why that matters cause they would only pay out they vehicle value and no extra. God these corporations drive me mad.

Well ya got a sympathy vote from me ;-)


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got told about this thread yesterday and so decided to take a quick look at it. from what i was told and from reading some of the comments here i think i have got the gist of things,,, no i have better things to do then read every last word written. Big Rig i knew you could talk under water with mouth full marble by didnt know you could the same with your fingers LOL by the way thanks for the vote of confidnece.

now to my thoughts on this!

from my past experence with 4wds, and 4wders i have found there 2 types those that know what they are doing and what they want fom their rigs, and what i call the possers!!! over the last 13 years i have had two 4wds the origanal Hekarewe an old 88 model pajero which was a freak!!! and my current 03 patrol. as everyone knows there is not a lot you can do to modify a vehicle with idependent suspention but (and the photos i have posted and Morton will testify) that old paj could make a lot of heavily modified trucks look prittty ordinary! all it had in it lift was what i could get out of the torsion bars and 31 inch muddies. i had that old girl for way to many years and it took alot for me to part with it because i knew it like the back of my hand. ( i still miss it from time to time on track was just to much fun).

now the patrol i own was brought completly standard! i had as people should thought long and hard about what i wanted to replace the old paj with and what i was going to use it for most. so I spoke to people who i believed to be experts and came up with the patrol and did the same again before starting to do the mods. the resault is an awsome truck that i can throw at just about any track i like does not sag when the camper is on it and handlies like demoned on road. i too have be pulled over up here in sunny queensland because "your suspention is set to high driver" at which piont i present the paper work out of the glove box from OME and drove of ticketless. this was with a 50mm lift!!!

majority of the adr laws ar aimed at the hoons! but because just targeting the hoons with these laws the powers to be would comitting veilification, ILLEAGLE! so every one must be complient. soooo and the point is this if you are responsable and modify you vehicle any vehicle do it with due considoration as to what you are going to use it for and do it to the letter of the law you will have hassle free motoring. modify your vehicle so that "it looks of the chain dude" with out considoration to practicality or legality then yes your going to end up getting some unwanted attention of the powers to be and you have no one else to blame but yourselves end of story.

more and more driving around town i see 4wds and other vehicles that have be modified by some bone head in their back yard or by some money grubbing twit who doesnt care as long as he gets top dollar cruising arouind in vehicles that are neither safe or practicle but hey they look "cool dude" but then bleat on tv and in paper that they are unfairly targeted by the law enforces, give me a break! you chose to do the mods then take responsability for them they are you actions.

when talking mods there is an old saying which is very apt for this "look before you leep" guys do yourselves a favor take the time to go out seek the experts advice there is some of good info in the forum here but and this is not to detract from the forum be careful who you take notice of on here. "a little knowledge is more dangerous then none at all" seek out the experts do your reseach and make at point to be informed!

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Originally Posted by taslucas

I suppose as a builder you could appreciate the reason plans have to be submitted and rules adhered to when building a house. Also the are certain aspects of building that can only legally be done by an authorised contractor. There has been comprehensive development year after year to set standards. They dont let anyone knock up a bit of a renovation without approved plans even if its built "stronger" or "better" than the minimal requirements of the law.... Same goes with vehicle modifications.

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Exactly! All I am saying is that I think some "illegal mods" are ridiculous. When carried out by someone qualified and done properly they are perfectly safe.

In the states you can buy a 22"lift kit for a F250 off the shelf, crazy hey

after the 4x4ing i did yesterday i am really needing to find out how i can get my lift engineered as there is no way i can do the driving i do on a standard 2" lift. I am gonna chase it up and see what feedback i get.

why not just pay the extra $500-600 on top of the cost of the lift to get it plated as a LEGAL 4 inch lift, if you are going to spend 4k$ on lift an extra few bucks to make it legal is nothing. I know that you can do this in TAS,SA, NSW, NT, WA, VIC and the ACT. I know QLD is a bit behind the rest of AUS but not that far behind. Its no different to doing a GVM upgrade which all the mining companys do, It cost a mate of mine here in SA $550 he now has an extra plate under the bonnet on his GU and the cops cant do shit, BUT.. and I say BUT because he had to do a few more things in order to get the engy to sign off on it. he had to run all new rear end links, plate the rear spring mount towers, the front end had after market arms ( the alloy ones for superior engineering) as drop boxes are not allowed, plus all the normal shite, panards etc. he is however only allowed to run 33's as that is what he stated he wanted to run.

Here in TAS I have a GQ with 8" of lift and 35's. Only been pulled over twice since I got it six months ago and both times were for light orientated problems and was given a self clearing defect. Cops walked around the GQ and gave it a good looking over. I know it doesn't handle anywhere as good as it should and is dangerous at high speeds, this is why I drive slow and take my time. It only ever gets used for driving off road, doesn't get hooned around in or go for un needed drives. I don't believe lift and big wheels are a sign of a poor driver, all the ruts around where I live I still drag diff with the 35's on and still catch the front and rear climbing out of holes ect. It goes places that a lot of the other smaller rigs fail at, I don't think I would enjoy off roading as much if I had to downsize my GQ and continue driving the tracks I drive.

Apart from the tyre size and cost portals and 37-40's would be a good way to go as far as i know the portals have been adr approved.