ROLLED GU !, the full story with pics & video

Hi O4OFF,

I'd send em the bill mate.

It amazes me how some businesses can stay in business when they ignore their customers when they have a problem with a product. Its the perfect opportunity for them to not only fix the problem but if they do it right then they will retain that customer as well as generate interest in their products because that customer will give advice to other users that if they do have a problem then that particular company will look after you. Its a no brainer for me but some people just dont get it.

Cheers,

Rob

Could not agree more Rob.

And as most of us know, what goes around, comes around :smile:

beautiful work, Steve!

As ever with your work, better than new!!!

cant wait until you get back out on the tracks mate

Hey steve

If you havent already maybe weld some caps on the ends of those bars before sending them off to the powdercoaters.

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Originally Posted by Silver

beautiful work, Steve!

As ever with your work, better than new!!!

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Thanks Rick

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Originally Posted by Ben-e-boy

cant wait until you get back out on the tracks mate

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Me too !, be so nice to able to again join in, instead of missing out on all the trips.

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Originally Posted by nissannewby

Hey steve

If you havent already maybe weld some caps on the ends of those bars before sending them off to the powdercoaters.

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Good idea Mat, the guy that did the welding suggested the same, i looked at em, thought about it, and decided to retain the plastic dome end plugs that came with it tho.

Yeah I have found with those plastic caps (similar to the ones in chassis) that the dirt and water still manages to find its way in also if you rub past something it could pop them out

Steve, you are an absolute trooper mate...
...And that white is absolutely stunning bro. !

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Originally Posted by nissannewby

Yeah I have found with those plastic caps (similar to the ones in chassis) that the dirt and water still manages to find its way in also if you rub past something it could pop them out

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I still want to have access to inside the tubes for now, that way i can inspect/treat the rust the sand blasters can't get to, the caps actually fit quite well and i don't think they will become a issue, but if they do, ill just use Sikaflex to stick them in :smiley_thumbs_up:


Besides that Mat, ive just ordered a set of new flares (aftermarket) , so if im going to be doing any "rubbing" against anything, ill be crying about much more than the "little caps" (lol)

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Steve, you are an absolute trooper mate...
...And that white is absolutely stunning bro. !

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Thanks LJ,
However, you will only really notice the pearl in certain light, so pretty most of the time it will just look like boring Nissan patrol white, but still, the factory white is quite a nice colour when fresh.

Having the coats of clear over the white, make it much more glossy than it ever did from factory, this should also make it easy to wash and should not have to polish it very often, if at all (i hope) ;)

Can't wait to hear the screams (of pure excitement no doubt) the fist time you get some bush pin-striping happening on the new paint job mate!!! lmao

Sterling job fella - you should be proud of yourself!!

brave choice of colour due to your love of 4wding.... Each to their own I suppose. Good Luck can't wait to see it out there again. You must be getting excited.

For sure Scotty (83) looking forward to it, lots of work to go yet tho, and its still the same white, just with the xirallic on top, so only one extra coat/proccess to how it was from factory, then add clear, really it is no harder to replicate than any new car with metallic paint made these days.

In fact some of the panels (bonnet and gaurds) on my car have been painted weeks apart from the body and everything matches perfect.


Everyone involved is clear about the fact that i "use" my 4wd a lot, so we all know future paint repair is inevitable, i do want a rest from fixing it, so i plan to take it easy for a while..............well for at least a day or so :clapping:

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Can't wait to hear the screams (of pure excitement no doubt) the fist time you get some bush pin-striping happening on the new paint job mate!!! lmao

Sterling job fella - you should be proud of yourself!!

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Yes, yes, and im sure you will be there, and as per normal, you will be first to offer comforting words and great sympathy (when you get back up off the groung, in between the rolling fits of pointing and girly laughter) hahaha !

That doesn't sound too bad then. Always imagined it to be much more involved than that. Imagine how it will glisten in the photos once you are done. Will have to turn off the flash. lol. You wont know yourself.

Yes i think it will be OK, the painter chose/suggested the colour and how to apply it, knowing i will most likley be back at some stage for repairs , and that HE will have to match the colour, i doubt he will have suggested to make his future job that much more difficult ?


In reality, i think ill have to try very hard to get the car to look anything but plain white, but im damb sure gonna try get some "sparkly" pics , thats for sure ! (ha-ha)

Look forward to hitting the tracks with you sometime again mate (hope you dont go swimming like last time)

The bluey has had a few upgrades since then. Steel bullbar and some muddies for track days. Some tyres with tread have really helped. Was probably pushing the limits last time. lol Really looking forward to getting out with the crew again.

Cool, what brand and size muddies you get ?

Flares turned up this week, they look like very good copies of nissan ones, and come with new rubbers as well, i have not test fitted them yet, but if they fit as well as they look , i will be very happy.....


One side shown (i did get a full set tho)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12613Large.jpg


I will be painting these with the same black i had the factory ones done in, this ensures no fading in the sun, and makes touching up marks easy.







After my attempts to "beach proof" the rest of the car, i thought i would take a look at my Tigerz winch, i deliberatly left the winch out in the back yard fully exposed to the elements for the last 7+ months, i pulled it apart to check for corrosion and water ingress, and was very pleased to find evidence of little to nothing.

It had the usual minor rust starting on the bolt heads, and also the clutch handle, it looks like a well made winch inside, the only one design issue i can see, was the female bolt thread that secures the rope to the drum, leads straight "inside" the bearing cavity protected by water seal, nothing a bit of thread sealer wont fix, but would surley lead to problems down the track if not attended to, other than that it looks like it would go the distance untouched.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12595Large.jpg





I decided, while i had the thing apart, id go to town with the Por 15, first i did the drum, taking care to leave the texture on the drum for rope friction....


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12596Large.jpg


Then i moved to the area behind the drum....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12600Large.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12601Large.jpg


And i thought i may as well do the rest of the winch with Por 15, id previously sealed all the electrical connectors and magnet screws with Sikaflex (as these seem to rust on every winch ive seen), i also painted over select parts again in white ,then a few coats of clear (white so they can be seen easy for operating at night)


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...12604Large.jpg


I greased everything i could get to before re-assembly.:p




;)

Where do you get the time? :(

You can fit quite a bit into a day when you start at 7am and finish at 11pm, stupid cars ! (lol)




All the white panels are finished now, ive yet to bolt the guards on, i decided to get 316 stainless steel Allen head bolts/washers for the gaurd bolts , mostly because all 3 times i had to remove them in the past, the very bottom bolts broke off flush due to corrosion.

I still need to put some black 2 pac over the Por 15 on the sides of the chassis rails and also the suspension arms and parts exposed to sunlight etc, then the car will get every cavity i can find pumped with rustproofing.



I didnt like the body deadeners i found on the market, they all seemed to stay just tacky enough to attract sand, I ended up using Stonegaurd to coat the whole underside of the car, it sets firm and dry, but has enough bounce to not chip easy (i guess it is stonegaurd after all,lol), so far ive used nearly 7 Litres of it under the car, and ive another 3L to put under it to thicken all the high impact areas such as behind the tyres etc.

Well after months of getting stuffed around and stuffed around and still not getting my paint job "fixed" how i want it, ive finally realised im getting nowwhere fast at my current panel shop, so i reluctantly paid my bill to release my car back into my possesion, and on 24/9/12 my car finally arrived home on a tow truck.

Things have certainly gone very backwards, id hoped the panel shop would have taken it upon them selves to fix the errors and make me happy, ive asked and asked and got little satisfaction, it became quite clear ,i was to just leave the car there "forever" and cut my losses, or pay my bill, get the car and cut my losses.

I negotiated a reduction on the bill, not enough to fix all the problems (im still finding), but better than nothing, ill get up more details when ive got time, and list the issues, but the bottom line is, now it will need to go to another panel shop :frown:

Pricks!!! Pity we cant name n shame ay. Oh well hopefully any Qlndrs will PM you before they go to a panel shop up your way and you can ward them off

im yet to find a good panel shop got my car back once and the battery wasnt even strapped in! and 2 weeks later a pully wheel rubbed a hole in the presurized radiator overflow bottle (in a hilux) just hope i dont need to look for another one any time soon!!

hope you dont have any issues with the next one! and if you find a good one let us know

Hi Steve

Sorry to hear things went sour with the panel shop, you haven't mentioned what you're not happy with?

Great work with the winch, I will follow your example with mine.

Hope you get it all happening soon mate - would be great to get out with you and yours again.

Murray

hey mate, we have had a few cars fixed or painted over the years and not one shop has got it right first go. I just don't know were peoples pride in their work has gone and quality control certainly left along time ago! hope you get it sorted.

Yeh thanks guys, im hearing ya !

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Hi Steve

Sorry to hear things went sour with the panel shop, you haven't mentioned what you're not happy with?

Great work with the winch, I will follow your example with mine.

Hope you get it all happening soon mate - would be great to get out with you and yours again.

Murray

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Yes Murray x100 on the trips, and im not even close to finished exploiting your knowledge of the Glass House Mountains :biggrin:


I have not listed the problems yet because there are so many, and im still finding them ,ive stopped looking for a while to ease the dissapontment, this "waiting" also will allow me to look at things clearer after the emotion has subsided a little, that way when i post the problems, you guys get a better description of what i see and how ill fix it, instead of me just saying everythings f**#ed ! (ha-ha)

Ill need to wash all the crud/dirt that is all over the top of the car , so i can even inspect the paint, then i will take pics and list all the issues, they are not all to do with the paint, other problems have come about from its little "holiday" at the panel shop ! :1087:



A long road ahead before im out wheeling again im afraid :frown:

OK mate well mine isn't going anywhere, so it'll be ready to roll with yours when the day comes. Good luck with getting it all sorted, if there's anything I can help you with just let me know.

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Ill need to wash all the crud/dirt that is all over the top of the car , so i can even inspect the paint, then i will take pics and list all the issues, they are not all to do with the paint, other problems have come about from its little "holiday" at the panel shop ! :1087:

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Can't you take legal action against them Steve?

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Can't you take legal action against them Steve?

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Todd, as im sure you can understand, what usually happens in these situations, there was no "written" agreement describing the expected job quality, how long it would take, and its exact costings, while the problems may be enough to seek some sort of legal advice, in reality, ive been around long enough to realise, it would just waste more of my time and money to chase such matters, not to mention, this path would inevitably halt any progress with the car while legal proceedings continue.






I don't hate the guys at the shop, (well actually im told some don't work there now as of last week), they had all come across as nice people, and i don't soon forget they have helped me a lot, as always there is two sides to every story, the guys probly think nothing is wrong with the workmanship on my car and im just too difficult or too fussy or i don't know what im talking about etc, im not really sure.



I guess from my point of view, i expect any proffessional to have more pride, better methods, work ethics, and a superior eye for paint quality than a non tradesman like myself, i was never after a show car, its a 13yr old 4x4 that will get used as such, but some of the mistakes made, defy common sence ,and are worse than id expect from a first year apprentice !







There is a almost unbelievable other story/s about whats happend at the shop in the ongoing last few months, (not relating directly to my car) its not something for me to go into here, but "this" information, lead me to believe i would be wise to get my car back into my possesion as fast as i could, just incase the pending situation escalated into a unpleasent out come for all.

Understand mate, I would probable take a loss 2 and get the car back

Yeah ya wouldn't want yours in there when some other pee'D of customer fire bombs the joint hahahajjahahahahaha


Double Tap

Ha-ha, yeh i actually know one peed off customer quite well, and while they'll be no fire bombs, or anything like that, im damb sure id be pretty upset, if "my" car was returned with a "extra" one thousand Ks on the clock, and then you recieve speed camera fines and unpaid toll notices the week after getting it back !

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Ha-ha, yeh i actually know one peed off customer quite well, and while they'll be no fire bombs, or anything like that, im damb sure id be pretty upset, if "my" car was returned with a "extra" one thousand Ks on the clock, and then you recieve speed camera fines and unpaid toll notices the week after getting it back !

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What the f$%k?????

I could hardly control myself if that happened to me................... there is no way I would wear that.
You did not have the car in you possession??

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What the f$%k?????

I could hardly control myself if that happened to me................... there is no way I would wear that.

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Double Tap

Hey mate. I know the feeling. Unfortunately there are very few people in business that will apply the same level of care and time compared to doing the job yourself. I have come across many 'good' people, but they all seem to suffer from human error combined with rushing the job to get to their next job. Just sucks when you fork out the big dollars and get shafted.

Yes Spektrum very true, although it can be hard for panel shops these days, they all seem to get shafted by insurance companies, none seem to get paid what they are worth, and most are forced to cut corners to stay afloat, so quality suffers, plus its not easy work, and one simple mistake can result in zero profit, i know i certainly don't wanna work in one.

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What the f$%k?????

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I know, and thats pretty much all i could say as well.


Basically, when someone else has your car, you really have little control over what actually happens to it.

damn i would be interested to hear what the outcome is in that scenario!

Ok so i got time and weather today to get the troll out and take some pics.....

A lot of the things are hard to show with the camera just how bad they look in real life, i don't know where to start so ill just start in order of pics.




It had no fuel so went to put some in and found this.......


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no big deal but just slack, when masking tape gets wet its very hard to remove.

After removing the tape i find the grey primer overspray has not been coverd with white, again just slack and looks dodge.


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They had done the same thing (get grey primer overspray) inside the LHR door jam, i dont know any other painter that would paint the outside of a car first, then the door jams, they still didn't paint white over the grey line, instead opting to "brush" paint some cream colour over the grey line.....

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...6906aLarge.jpg


Behind the wiper cowl never got painted (i asked for this to be done about 3 times) as you can see, its pretty hard to miss that its not been painted white :1087:


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Where they finished roof to pillar (mig weld) they burn away the sealer id put in, they were supposed to replace the sealer before painting, but as you can see.....

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Why the hell would you paint over ^that^ ???



Some nice air bubbles in the paint under the roof gutter.....

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Gaurd holes bogged over then painted, i asked to have the holes made clear from the first bog that went on

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WHY !....... would you not poke the holes through before painting, drilling the hole now, risks damage to the paint, plus will expose bare metal that will then need to be painted.



More holes such as this door mould got bogged over as well....

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Originally Posted by 04OFF

Ha-ha, yeh i actually know one peed off customer quite well, and while they'll be no fire bombs, or anything like that, im damb sure id be pretty upset, if "my" car was returned with a "extra" one thousand Ks on the clock, and then you recieve speed camera fines and unpaid toll notices the week after getting it back !

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Is this peed off customer from the panel shop ur 4b was at or a different company all together???

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........deeeeeeeeererrrrrr..... ..sorry.


Sent from the secret chambers of our secret society, on a secret iPhone, with a secret pin code and eye retina scanning from a secret peep hole, just don't tell anyone OK, cos it's secret........

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Ok so i got time and weather today to get the troll out and take some pics.....

A lot of the things are hard to show with the camera just how bad they look in real life, i don't know where to start so ill just start in order of pics.

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Did you take your 4b to a panel shop or some bloke working form his backyard????

That's crap workmanship, no I wouldn't even call that workmanship. Iv'e seen better work come out of backyard spray painters