https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ChEkSsxpE
This is a good video for discussion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ChEkSsxpE
This is a good video for discussion.
This should not have happened. A Daughter A Sister, A Friend. A Young life Lost.
Think about what you are doing. Always consider the worst case scenario and clear the safety zone.
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RIP
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This bit of kit makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EaK4mpR5eQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjv51ovrE30 Another video for not using towballs.
Thanks Craig, great product, so simple, have flicked an email off to the US to get a price for one posted, either to Aussie or to my post box in florida USA.
Price for 2 bro. I want 1, I don't need 1 but I bloody want one!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeBee
Done, have resent the email requesting pricing on 1,2,3,4 and 5 units shipped to either Melb or Florida USA. They are $147 USD each for a single. I can see an immediate use when using extension ropes - wish I had this when I did that tyre on the way into Burgoynes on the side of a tree-less hill and finding an anchor that was within the strap limits was more difficult that you would think possible. Have sent a price request to X-Lock and ASR for comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
OK guys, finally got a reply from the US manufacturer, and the price is firm at $147 USD each up to a quantity of 20 units, then there is a 10% discount applied. The postage is ridiculous - $40US each, so 20 units would be $800USD - stuff that. I am sure my FEDEX mailbox in Florida will beat that hands down, generally half to a third of the USPS.
Let me know interest - do your numbers guys as its USD. I am going to hold off until I get back to work to place the order. Happy to put it on my credit card and you simply direct deposit the amount when its all said and done.
Wow! that is getting up there Phil. That will be $200AU for sure. I wonder if i can make one out of a Nylon or Alloy Block?... Hmmm,Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeBee
Put it into context - its a drop compared what you have spent so far, probably what all of us have spent on our hobby/passion. I am sure you could make one, but this one is actually load rated at 20,000lb, so must have undergone some testing. We don't know what it is made of either - looks like some sort of alum. alloy, but it could be a forging thats been tumbled and plated. I think I will go with the rated item. As i said previously, Its another trick I could have used in the past. Without this it took 3 hrs out of my weekend. I will order mine as soon as i get back to work, and let you know if anyone wants to jump on. Unfortunately the group discount is not that favourable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
OK, ordered one of these puppies today
https://www.safe-xtract.com/tutorials/x-lock-uses/
$155USD plus delivery ex USA
I think the biggest benefit is running the winch on the first layers of rope which gives its rated capacity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXPqkh3F8qg the credits are hilarious.
Very clever indeed. I have been caught with winching and the extension ropes and straps leave the pulling capacity at its limit, so being able to trim it as shown is a plus for me. The device is expensive for what it ultimately is, however there has been a bit of thought and development time expended, so thats a direct cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudnut
Does look a great piece of easy lightweight gear Philstar [emoji106][emoji106]
Did only briefly notice on Muddy’s kind Youtubey link that the blokes extension rope appeared to have protective sheathing every few metres (yanky yards :-) that he was matching up both ways back to itself before final lashing through?
Wondering if they’re just loose sheaths like our hook ends held in place or he’s somehow got them affixed properly at intervals along the extension rope?
They could just simply slide along I guess much like a ratchet strap sharper load edge sheath maybe?
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Whoops, played it again, this time zoomy’d in on iPhoney little screen. Think that’s multicoloured nuffy MB unbeknown rope now not sheathing Philstar?
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Mark, the various ways to rig this device are all done with clean rope, no sheaths. I didn't pick that up about the rope sheath, however did ask for a download, which he sent me of the various configs about 2 weeks ago. Its even possible to double rig this device like a capstan winch as an aux anchor, like say you wanted a second line hooked to the vehicle in case a single line was not going to quite get you there, - very interesting concept. I had to use a similar set-up getting out of my bush camp block when decending a steepish off slope graded clay hill. We rigged ropes on front and rear recovery points and back to tress, then the guys kept the tension on the ropes front and rear as I slowly decended, all the time inching into the high side bank. This device could also be used for that. I particularly like the simple extension rope shortening function as my ropes are all 40 and 50m long.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Honestly do really like it Mate, thinking they’ve ingeniously supercharged rock climbing/abseiling lighter figure 8 type thingies?
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Have a play with it first and see if it fits the billQuote:
Originally Posted by MB
Well this is just bloody average. I don't have the whole story but the bloke says a shackle did this. 8 must assume that they joined 2 straps together to increase length and snatched. Terrible idea, a Dampener would have helped. Glad none died. Imagine if it went the other way through a windscreen!!!
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Wowsers. That's a serious hit!
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what is actually pretty scary in that last pic is that Most of that Damage is from the Strap..... Not the shackle! Brutal! Imagine that hitting you!Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty_nail
Do you mean the strap did the wider damage on the door?Quote:
Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD
Brutal impact and bloody lucky!
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Yes mate. You can see where the shackle hit as an impact puncture but the massive spread of damage to both doors is all Strap. That is a Tough bit of door too!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AB
This finally arrive from the US whilst on shift. very nicely finished, now just have to practice using it to get the benefit.Attachment 82917
This chap seems to have some helpful videos found I’m learning on too folks:
https://youtu.be/s1h9whPOPn0
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Good clear explanations and easily understood. Its really simple trig stuff when it comes down to it, 'triangulated ' forces or vectors, easily missed in the field under duress and when the operation appears to be nothing like the theory. Good find @MB
Here’s another interesting test from Robert Pepper on Snatch Blocks versus Rings:
https://youtu.be/rdlRRAbzCzA
Appears at the 20:00 mark that we should account for an approximate 5% efficiency loss for a Snatch Block & 10% efficiency loss for the Rings:
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He’s going to do some more tests soon to see further affects of mud etc....
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Efficiency variance seems to not be much of an issue to worry about in his opinion:
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This is a Great Video about the Maths of using a Bridle to centralise the load across the chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hodge
Fundamentally we need to consider the side load when winching from an angle. This video explains it quite well.
Using a single length bridle across the points rather that 2 3m straps to the hook. 1 6m strap with the hook around the middle that can slide.
The further away from the vehicle the centre of the bridle is the Les the angle and the less the side load is. A 6m bridle, so 3m each return, seems the best option.
Do yourself a favour and Watch the Video.
Thanks for the content Hodge!
Bought em, couldn’t trust my own monkey fist knots some years ago I think, lightweight and stored conveniently out of the way [emoji123][emoji736]
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Time wise, still have never utilised them?
Every Landcrab we pass by has sharp recovery points requiring old school Bows ?
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In all honesty, is it a nice to have connection but in reality Peoples trucks out there are non compatible? [emoji120]
They’re not in the way, will keep though for a rainy day [emoji848][emoji120][emoji120]
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@MB nice one mate. Yeah I have quite a few soft shackles now. Still like the ones I made as the strongest I have as they are the only ones made from 12mm rope. Over the gear stick for the storage win for sure.
I have a snatch ring which I have used a few times now and recently bought another through a big sale discount, when it turned up it is made for 12mm rope and is about 150mm across so a really good diameter too. Stoked.
I also grabbed an 18mm Kentic Rope which is snazzy. Not a big fan of snatching and in the GQ will always Winch cause 24Vforlife. But it could see some use in Cape Jaffa.
I’m confused Again Dazman [emoji120][emoji120]
As per above, where do I connect a soft bought shackle to the likes of any modern car with Aftermarket sharp as razors tow/recovery points? [emoji120][emoji120]
EDIT: Happy to RIP a Melbourne City sexy ‘D’ shackled colour coded bumper clean OFF its tinfoil chassis [emoji23]
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Yes this is a problem for sure. But let's consider in that recovery the soft shackle will be used at the anchor point, ie. The tree truck protector if the hook won't work or if the Double line pull is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
We don't need to over Engineer anything, and the steel gear still has a place for sure. The Soft shackle should be used wherever possible though bearing in mind sharp edges.
I recently also invested in a 50mm square hitch receiver specifically designed to take a soft shackle which I will run on the back of the62.
I was under the impression that we could all throw away our old heavy gear and rely on soft shackles spruiked by so many here there and everywhere, not the case in my travels [emoji120][emoji120][emoji3590][emoji3590]
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Yeah we really are in an extended transition period mate, fast forward another 10 years and there will be very few recovery points with sharp edges. It's coming, we aren't there yet though. As I replace or update gear I am certainly making choices around my want to use Soft shackles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Thank God, someone’s going to outlaw any vehicle bought pre 2022 [emoji23][emoji736]
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Bhahahaha. Mate if VicPol had there way every GQ would be crushed yesterday. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB