thanks guys now i know not to use my tow ball to recover:)
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thanks guys now i know not to use my tow ball to recover:)
thanks very much for the information...it really brings home what the consequences can be for poor recovery practices.
Wow i actually didnt know that thanks heaps wont be doing that any more eek
There is a heap of info on this forum, some of it can save your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra
Cheers, the ferret.
THere was a segment in todays 4WD TV that discussed this
Just wondering what peoples thoughts on this: Pull the pin out and remove the entire towball and tongue etc out, then put the strap into the tube and put the pin back in. I think this is a safe method you can use when you dont have any extra gear (hitch receiver and shackles etc). Its definately better than a towball. What are peoples thoughts?
No problem at all if the strap is a folded eye construction. The straps with flat eyes can be a bit of an issue as the eye is wider than the reciever.Quote:
Originally Posted by taslucas
Some people will have seen/heard of pins being bent using this method and even pins being jammed in the reciever. The amount of force required to bend the pin enough to jam is far and above what should be emplyed during a snatch recovery.
IE if you bend the pin your doing it wrong
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Originally Posted by Turtle_au
Tailgaters isn't it. Park brake and one less on the road.
My sister wanted me to remove off small car (a major job) That week she sitting stopped at red light ,bamm, other car pushed to side off road, she had a slight scratch, I get Saturday to drink beer.
Bloke I know badly dinged back door, strap hit wind screen WITH OUT ANYTHING on it.
Whats that loop for at the back above tow ball,it is NOT recovery point, not for chains for towing so what is it for.
Pulled recovery pionts off two gqs those 2 bolts have been the type to shear under a lot off stress for the bullbar.
Tie a couple of shirts/ jeans to strap to slow it a little if broken
This is a story from a while back two retirees brough 2 trucks to tour this great land. out exploring one day one truck got stuck. easy just attach to front of one truck and TOW BALL of the other...................long story short TOW BALL smashed the rear window went through the rear and front headrests through the driver smashed the windscreen and embedded the TOW BALL in a tree 50 myrs away. Do a recovery course, be familiar with your equipment only one boss/ this happened in the mid 90s and still happens today. NOT WORTH A 2 INCH HOLE IN YOUR SCONE
Wow, a lot of force behind that one.
I helped someone on the weekend pull out our local landscape delivery truck who was stuck on a clay slippery hill. I watched the person just about to loop the chain over the ball. It also feels good to teach and explain what can and does happen indeed!
Contact ARB, TJM and OPPOSITE LOCK as well as your states 4x4 body and demand it
you should never go 4x4ing without a proper kit with straps etc and rated front recovery points. in the bush nothing worse than coming across someone stuck with no equipment
Saw this pic on the ARB 4x4 fb page and checked to see if any of you guys had found it. Not surprised. BUMP.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dogman
It seems that this is growing momentum in the 4x4 community, has taken a while but it is getting out there now................we (nissanpatrol.com.au) would like to thank everyone who has passed on to others the danger of this practice, WELL DONE ALL
Wow thats scary, I can only imagine the damage something like that would do to a person.
Just this morning had to drag a cemment truck out that was stuck on wet grass and guess what he hooked straight over my tow ball so i showed him the pick above and he had never heard of towballs breaking before so theres one more educated
How much would a cement truck weigh? I reckon it would have ripped the ball off in no time! 1 more educated is a god thing.
Ps. I did get your pm patrol2.8, I should have the layouts up tonight.... Been a bit flatout
Tap, crackle, pop
After doing an Extreme trip last weekend i pulled up at the top of the Reefton Spur to air up. There was 2 blokes in very well sorted GQs sitting at the top doing the same.
They both had full bar work to front and back, sliders, Himount Turbos on TD42s, Himount Winches, Rasler Rear bars with Swing away wheel carriers. I leaned on my bull bar checking out their 2 cars as they were near Identical to look at to each other, all the same mods, very tidy. One of the blokes even commented on my Cheezy bar and said that he used to work for Cheezy making bar work for him........
So......
Here i am leaning on my car waiting for the tyres to air up and i notice that BOTH cars have a tow bar slotted into their rear bar and BOTH had a Tow Ball in place.??????
So i say "hey guys? what do you use as a rear recovery point? you know, where do you put your snatch strap?" Ol' Mate says " ahh just over the tow ball mate!"
So Mr nice guy left immediately and i tore these to clowns a new neck! " What do you mean over the Tow ball that is just DUMB mate! Do you know that they will shear off under load?" "Yeah" he says " but we are careful and i have just never worried about it"
Getting quite loud now i am!!! "Mate its not you that will wear it in the face! If that thing shears off its the bloke your snatching that will cop it in the head bud! Fair Dinkum mate! Thats pretty poor"
Embarrassed, the two guys both tried to get out of my way and went back to the front of their cars to concentrate on airing up under their bonnet.
Not finished but also concerned that i have only aggravated them i went back for another go....
"Sorry guys, dont mean to have a go or get stuck into you but fair dinkum its pretty average mate" "Yeah i know but we just do it anyway" Tsssssss..
"Guys your Not the problem mate, Its the bloke that has No Idea that sees blokes like you that should know better do it and thinks that is the way its done! He then does it and teaches that to his kids or his mates and is out bush one day and the worst thing happens and some kid or bloke or wife dies because he saw you do it" "Its just bloody average mate, Its not hard! Piss the bar off and at worse use your F*&^king Pin!"
Bewildered i went back to my car.
They both had a sticker on their car from a Vic based FaceBook 4x4 Club. LIFT YOUR F*&KING GAME GENTLEMEN!!
Rant over!
That's crazy!? Especially when you can get a hitch receiver for less than 40 bucks! To buy all those mods and not even see the hitch receiver sitting in the shop!
Tap, crackle, pop
Mate that is what flat out astounded me! These were fully modded cars, not much left on the wish list and nothing that it needed on the outside and a bloody tow ball hanging off the back! :furious:
I'm glad to say a hitch receiver was the very first thing I bought. A few tanks of fuel then the hitch.
Tap, crackle, pop
Yeah same here. First time I went wheeling I didn't have it though, guy I was with goes "you aren't supposed to snatch off the towball, but it doesn't really matter"
What did I know, he was supposed to be the experienced one so I just listened to him. Took about 4 seconds after joining this board to learn that it is the number 1 "DO NOT"!
Some people are pig headed and wont change, unfortunetly its wont be them going to hospital. All they'll say is "never happened before". DO A RECOVERY COURSE. Get rid of your bad habits, I see it all the time
Hi, the cross-member that the tow hitch is mounted on is not designed for that type of loading (even with a Heyman-reece you would need to strengthen it to use an appropriate tow fitting)
MUDRUNNER TD
Seems no matter what we do to get the message out there its just never going to be enough also
think you may run into these two again out on the tracks and nothing will have changed lets hope you got through
Mate my front "Threedogs" recovery point I just put on is held by 3 12mm HT bolts, the hooks I took off had 2, my tow bar has 3 each side and 4 in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Les Penrose
I use one of those solid reciever things with a rated shackle on it.
I'm fairly confident it is going to stay in place during a recovery.
The fact it has so far means nothing, people use that argument with tow balls.
Our club is really uptight about safety, and thats what we have been using since I joined in 2006.
I dont want to be putting myself or anyone else at risk so if I have the wrong end of the stick I really do want to know!!!
Glad to see you're in a club Macca, then you'll know why we {I} preach a bit about the safety of recoveries.
you are now bullet proof front and rear for SAFE recoveries. Enjoy and spread the word.
Will say it again,
EVERYONE NEEDS TO JOIN A CLUB OR DO A RECOVERY COURSE,,,, NO BUTS
This is not to be taken lightly, lives are at stake here, maybe your own. no laughing matter
Good read. Excellent safety post.
http://youtu.be/eBa-xxiITuU
This is crazy stuff...
How gutless is the jeep I thought it would be able to drag the car body easy.
He has no respect for his Jeep, it did say RED NECK eh
They seems to be proud of their stupidity
Mental note : never use the tow ball :(
Just seen another recovery with a towball used... And it ripped the recoveree's bull bar off. Very interesting.
Video posted on 4wd TV's facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/4wdTV
Dont have face ache, seems the message is not getting through, trouble is ppl with
bad habits that swear black and blue it ok to use , cause they have done it for years with no mishaps.
DO A RECOVERY COURSE
If you see someone hooking up to a towball to get you out recline and explain to the goose why.
There should never be deaths from towballs , a few guys here have reported dodgy towing devices that slip over the towball
good on them it may have prevented a death. A towball to the head is not a pretty sight
Go to your 4x4 shop and grab a recovery kit full of all the "RATED" items you will need for a safe recovery.
and the recovery course will show you how it use it properly
For those without faceache who cannot see the videos. Here is the main bits you need to see.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...id=53387&stc=1http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forum...id=53388&stc=1
would be the same out come if he used the pin in the receiver.
Strap looks questionable as well
And looks like he could've driven around the bog hole
Non air bag 4x4 should replace all bullbar bolts to graded zinc plated bolts
even newer 4x4s that spend a lot of time in bog holes and river crossing
change all the towbar bolts to Zinc coated grade 8 minimum, or at least check a couple
from time to time
Had a bloke ask for a snatch backwards out of a hole. I backed up and saw him the put the strap over his towball, he went off his nut when I questioned what he was doing and let him know I wasn't going to snatch off a tow ball.
Last I saw of him he was standing knee deep in the mud watching me drive away. The really sad part was I had a spare hitch receiver in the car and all.
Some people simply can't be told.
During a club trip to the wombat mid last year, we came a cross a tow ball related accident.
The had snatched of the ball, the ball sheared off and it hit a passenger in the shoulder - he was in a bad way - but still alive. 10 cm higher and a bit to the right, it would have been fatal.
I helped a bloke out the other day and I already had a tow hitch on but he asked me where the tow ball was as it was easier to recover. I told him what could happen and super dangerous. He didn't seem like it really sunk in. I told him to YouTube it, hope at least looks.
hi . I think it is a great idea just to remove hitch or tongue from towbar which most are removable and put the strap in the hole and put the pin back into hold it . so easy so safe and so quick.